If your employees rely on tips to meet months end, your business model is shit.
I feel like there may be some missing information. For example, if the customer had a coupon or other discount. The tip should be a percentage of the total before the discount. If they’re “adjusting” to tip less- based on the post-coupon price, fuck them.
whenever I see a “suggested tip for your inconvenience” I feel the urge to research (aka google) their reported earnings for the last economical year, calculate their profit margin and write that in the tip line and to pay their employees better instead of trying to shift the costs onto the customers with scammy guilty conscience. Fuck establishments like that, especially those who are then trying to conceive you ONTOP of the already bs tips
The whole tip thing is a scam to begin with.
Tipping, specifically in the original context of restaurants, I will still do, simply because the government needs to change the minimum wage so that servers are included. They’re currently a protected group that is allowed to be paid far less than minimum wage, and they are supposed to make up the difference in tips.
In every other context, wow me and I’ll tip you, otherwise, don’t expect shit.
If you did your job as you are expected to do, then I don’t see why I need to tip.
It was always a dumb idea to pay servers LESS because they got tips. There was a time when tips were mostly cash and you didn’t have to claim them as income. But now that advantage is almost completely gone. And we should just end tipping. If you go out and don’t like the service then don’t go back. Just like it works with any other business.
Thank you! After all the comments and being a server I was starting to feel like I was going crazy!
Like you said, tip your servers accordingly and if not then don’t go the f out! Go through a drive thru instead!
And if you hate the tipping culture then try to change it! Don’t punish the servers for your selfish actions and beliefs for a service rendered! You don’t HAVE to be waited on… you chose that! So don’t choose to not tip that’s an asshole move and if you’re a regular even worse!
This is exactly me. I still tip you all. Even if the food sucked, I’m doing what I can to leave a tip.
I’d add a caveat for bad service, but honestly, I don’t think I’ve met a server yet that deserved to not be tipped (aka, paid fairly for their service).
If you suck at your job, you won’t have it very long. Server or not. Let’s let the system work the way it does for everyone else. Ban below minimum wage wages for servers.
Once that happens, I can happily never tip again.
You could easily get away with not claiming cash tips as income, that is.
Are you encouraging people to do a crime?
Tax evasion is serious you know!
… Nevermind that the IRS lacks resources to actually audit even the top 0.1% of earners to make sure they aren’t doing anything funky… Nevermind having the resources to audit any of the rest of us… It’s illegal!
No you cannot, you need to claim all, if not… that’s stealing!
For the longest time, I’d find a tip between 15% and 20% which would result in a final total that was a palindrome. That was about 20 years ago and that’s the first thing I noticed in this picture.
Restaurant tries to scam customers, yet they still give a 20% tip?
Pretty sure the waitress wasn’t the one who fucked with the register. Probably the restaurant trying to ensure they don’t have to pay the difference if the tips come up short and leave the staff below minimum wage.
I feels like reasoning like this is why it would never end.
Shafting the waitress is not going to end it either. Most people wouldn’t notice this, so they’d still keep doing it if you didn’t tip.
The play here is to tip the waitress in cash if possible and slam the establishment on every review site.
stop tipping so waitstaff finds another job and restaurants that don’t pay enough go out of business
ezpz
If the worker or anyone else not gonna unionise or protest the government for a better minimum wages, then the culture gonna continue. Slammin and jammin the establishment will do absolutely nothing, as with all non-disruptive protest.
I swear tipping is fetishized by american.
It’s logical, it’s not the wait staff’s fault. You’re correct though that it’s an endless circle, with the only solution being that everyone stops supporting places that don’t pay employees well. Which means don’t go to any US restaurants, or any retail. There is the bigger endless circle, trying to get the masses to all participate in such a boycott.
Right?
Most people just pay it out of obligation, and the occasional nerd calls us out politely.
Gee, whatever shall we do?
You think place like that distributes tips honestly?
The “I’m just doing my job” defence. Nice.
Are you comparing the waitress not proofreading the math on a preprinted receipt (arguably not their job) to soldiers actively committing war crimes?
No. Soldiers are very much protected from such orders in most countries. They can’t be held responsible for refusing to follow an illegal order.
I mostly hear the argument from civilians helping their employer commit crime.
Have you ever heard of ICE?? They are committing out right kidnappings of citizens “under the orders” of a helmet haired toddler who shits his own pants… really? They clearly are upholding these illegal acts and do not care! They don’t even show their faces! SHAME!
Plus also, Nazis in WWII went along with Hitler when they shouldn’t have for an example. Or putting Asian Americans into camps after the bombings due to fear they were ALL somehow involved!?
“Fuck you restaurant for trying to scam me, now I’ll only pay the correct 20% extra on top of my bill”
They also paid it on the tax. Supposed to figure off the subtotal
The solution is to never step foot in the restaurant again not punish the server.
Thank you! I am just one server do not punish me because you hate the tipping culture of America! Don’t like it, like you said, don’t go to a damn restaurant then! Easy peasy!
Don’t punish another person for your thoughts, feelings, etc about the situation of tipping, it’s not their fault, it’s yours for not tipping them because “you don’t agree” then go to damn McDonald’s!
I’ve never worked as a server but I did date one long ago who said something to the effect, “that $5 means more to her than you” and while I was not nearly as financially stable back then, that idea has stuck with me.
An extra isn’t going to make or break my day but it could make someone else’s day.
Another way I’ve been thinking about this is how for a brief moment you someone’s “boss.” If you’ve ever complained about unfair compensation what does it say about you that you’re using than brief moment of power to be what you hate.
I agree! $5 to you might not mean much but to a server it would mean everything. It makes up for bad tippers or worse the no tippers at all. The little things makes servers day honestly!
And yeah, but I am not truly “their boss” it’s more that I have to deal with unsatisfying customers, intake orders of food and beverage vendors, and ensuring all customers are satisfied plus doing my server role… so honestly, it’s me dealing with all the issues but still having tables. I love my place of work and will never leave since I make like $3-4k a month as a server and that’s like 1/2 of what I was making as a teacher full time but some customers are the worst and would rather get paid less than dealing with them honestly…
Yep, that’s a solid 0% for me
Yeah that restaurant owner will certainly learn from the fact that they don’t legally have to pay their servers minimum wage and you still paid the owner what they would have gotten whether or not the server got a tip
As another commenter said, in this situation pay the server in cash, and then review the restaurant badly everywhere you can
I went to a restaurant recently with my wife for our anniversary. Had great reviews on Google Maps above 4.5 stars. Yes I know this should not be the only indicator of a good experience, but the food sounded good and it was in a neighborhood we don’t often go to. Something new.
When we got the bill, the server came to us and skipped past the food prices to the tip screen immediately. That should have been my red flag to stop and ask why she did that, but I didn’t. I tipped 20%, then later found out that they already included that in the bill. So I tipped 20% on top of the total that already included 20%. Needless to say I won’t be going back.
Smart businesses know that the key is “customer retention” and they don’t screw you. Dumb businesses operate on “one and done”. “We’ll screw them and they probably will never come back”
It wasn’t the business that did this. It was the server looking for a one time bonus.
Do a review on Google maps, and TripAdvisor, if you are in a touristy city. Warn the world, and put the ownership on notice.
Oh we did
Also consider complaining to the secretary of state perhaps? Idk, it’s not city tax revenue so not likely, but it’s still fraud. But I would definitely consider a chargeback. This is just like in the old days when managers or severs would scribble in a different tip and total on the merchant copy.
This seems like it is probably more of a server issue, and not a restaurant issue. The server has learned how to increase their tips, I doubt that’s company policy. This is Management’s problem to solve, not the government’s.
This is bad logic. Every industry has a thousand things they solve by regulation to establish a sane baseline that you experience every day mistaking this hard won normalcy for a self occurring default.
The behavior that is described is actually fraud and if you consider across just this one employees year it probably is thousands of dollars in fraud. It would be normal to report such to the city government which reports such to the business which in turn fires the server and trains the rest not to defraud customers.
This is one server, in one restaurant, not an industry-wide issue. Expecting some kind of regulatory remedy over an anecdotal issue is not the answer. I’m not a right-winger by any means, but even I know that the government isn’t the solution to anything. There already is a law against this, so the local gendarmes are as far as this needs to go.
Remember when your mom told you “Don’t make a Federal case out of it?” This is the kind of thing she was talking about, literally.
It actually already does cover it. He’s tricking folks into tipping twice by failing to disclose that they have already tipped. It’s simple fraud.
Right but the fraud is with the server, or possibly the restaurant, not the industry as a whole. I just think getting the government involved to deal with a dishonest server is going a bit far. Just make the manager and corporate aware. They’ll deal with it.
Bullshit. Hopefully it’s one server and management should take care of it. But it’s appropriate to complain to the right authority so they can see if it’s a pattern in need of enforcement.
This is how things get done. A single instance of food poisoning can be a mistake, but a pattern of food poisoning is potentially in need of enforcement and remediation. But they can’t see a pattern if no one complains
I call and complain for crap like this all the time now. I make sure to let them know I bitch to all my friends and coworkers about it too.
My latest crusade is restaurants that put 4% service fees to help pay for people’s health insurance. Just raise the price on the individual items on the menu. Making me math out what you are actually charging like that is bullshit.
I would have gone back and not left until I had both 20%s in my hand. Call the police? Please do!
Tips in the US must be entirely out of control. In my experience, 10% is for good service, above for rare exceptional and less if you weren’t entirely satisfied. Not even printing anything below 16 is insane.
Tipped minimum wage in the US is $2.13/hour, hence the reason for the high percentages.
Idk where you are living but in MN it’s $11.10/hr plus tips. I get paid more because I am an assistant manager as well so $15/hr plus my tips as a server. I make almost 3X more than when I was a teacher working full time and I have half as many hours…
Oh right i forgot about that. That’s insane as well; minimum wage should be… well, minimum, obviously; for everyone.
Sad thing is regular minimum is only $7.25 at the federal level. This country absolutely despises it’s workers.
That’s the true problem, federal minimum wage hasn’t changed in decades despite the inflation and costs over the years! That’s the true problem!
But nobody wants to work anymore!!!
/s
Cant wait for this meme to be 20k pixels tall with new screenshots when I die
Should be changed to, “Nobody wants to work anymore because the wage isn’t livable anymore”.
I was hired on my first job at $14/hr as a retail associate back in like 2005! Same job today has the same wage… well $15/hr but still 20 years later… savage! Hmmmm, wondering why no one wants to work, that job can’t even pay the rent of most places in America with all the other costs of living. (Car, insurance, phone, utilities, etc.).
Okay, this image would be better if it actually showed whatever article it came from, so we could verify the print and date. These could all be books printed in 2016 for all we know. But like I totally believe it.
Edit: I have the grammar of a 3rd grader
I’m not sure it would be better without minimum wage for tipped employees rule. For example the minimum wage in Ontario is $17 and it’s the same for servers, but all the restaurants have tip suggestions like: 18%, 20% and 25%
20% has actually been the norm for a while. Maybe it was a bit on the upper end a couple decades ago while now it’s more default, but I remember my parents tipping 20% for normal service back in the 90’s. Of course, with prices soaring tipping is still getting pricier and pricier, but the expected percentage here has been relatively stable.
The thing that’s out of control is where you’re expected to tip now. I often see a tip prompt come up at retail stores where the only service the employee provided was ringing up the items I brought. I never tip in those kinds of situations, and I doubt the employee would see any of it even if I did.
the idea of percentage based tipping is so wild to me, in my mind a tip is only based on the reason i want to tip them.
If they did an impressive job but just did their job then i’ll give them a euro or something, if they had to endure something miserable like cleaning up baby vomit then they get like 10 euro because god knows that’s what i’d need to stay on that job.Also, importantly, the tip is in cash and goes directly to the person i think deserves it, and i’m going to tell the worker that wink wink nudge nudge if the employer asks then i didn’t give them a tip.
No because I live in Australia where the govt forces restaurants to Pay their staff in full rather than outsource their wages to the customers directly.
Edit: Pay, not Pauly.
Pauly must be busy.
Wow must be cool living somewhere completely irrelevant to this post!
we’re in a section called “shitpost” and you’re complaining about quality? also - its related by “tips”, but maybe you just wanted to practise your sarcasm.
If only, the tipping crap is trying to leak in here.
Stop tipping!!! no more
I like tipping. The service is better, and servers are paid more than they would be without it.
Laughing in European
Stop tipping culture. If you just stop tipping people who rely on tips, you just make their lives much harder
Ok genius, tell us how to stop tipping culture without stopping tipping?
Pass a law that removes the minimum wage exemption for “tipped” professions.
What a coincidence I just put on my lawmaking socks!
Quite obviously through regulation.
That’s socialism!!1!
Try to avoid services that rely on tipping? Don’t go to restaurants or order food delivery where you’re expected to tip.
I understand it’s not an easy thing to fix, and I sure as hell dont have the solution, but not tipping someone who is relying on tips is just a dick move
Part of the problem is that it’s considered the customer’s responsibility. The real dick move is on the employer not paying a decent wage.
Complain loudly while you tip?
give the tip directly to the worker, and also hand them a pamphlet about organizing a union at the workplace
Don’t use tipped services if you’re not going to tip. There are alternatives. You’re offloading your “political action” at the expense of the worker, while the owners won’t care. Support legislative change, don’t use your politics as an excuse to harm the workers of a service you chose to use.
It probably won’t stop until everybody starts asking for tips, so that those that traditionally receive tips are losing it on tipping everybody else.
I think the only chance this will work is moving somewhere it’s not a thing.
I’m surprised no one mentioned that a lot also calculate the tip after applying taxes.
Example: Meal was $40, then a 20% tip would be $8. But if taxes were $4 (making the total bill $44), then the receipt would show $8.80.
I don’t tip on tax.
But on the flip side if I receive a discount of some sort, I tip on the pre-discount amount.
My Dad taught me that as a kid. I’m extremely supportive of wait staff, and I’m an excellent tipper (25% is not unusual), but I’m not tipping on tax. I draw the line there.
How is that different than tipping 22% (or whatever) on the post-tax? I swear people lose all rationality when it comes to tips.
Probably nothing, but it just makes sense to tip on the actual bill. Why am I tipping the government tax?
So now I have to figure the 25% tip before tax, then the 22% after tax, then decide which I want to pay, etc. Just tip on the pretax amount. Why is that controversial? How is that “losing rationality?”
Why does this require any discussion? You want to pay a tip on the tax, go wild. I’ve used my method for decades, and my servers get tipped well. I don’t think I’ve lost any rationality.
Makes me wonder how many servers out their think their customers are being cheap because they only tipped X% when in reality they actually tipped 15% or whatever before tax.
I got chewed out on reddit once for being “cheap” because I said tip before the tax. Guy was super pissed over what amounts to a difference of cents. Went off on a huge rant belittling me like I admitted to murdering puppies…
Like… Dude, if your whole life comes crashing down over 40¢, to the point that’s your reaction, maybe there’s a much bigger problem going on here?
Yeah, you shouldn’t tip on the tax, that has nothing to do with the food or service.
Sorry to inform you, but I’ve been told recently that 20% is now considered bare minimum and cheap. Yes, I eat out a lot less accordingly.
I don’t care what people think, I’m still doing 10% for okay, 15% for good, and 20% for great.
It’s not my job to give servers a raise. The food prices have already exploded, they are already getting more in tips just because the base cost went up
My $10 meal and 15% tip ($1.50) is now a $15 meal with a 15% tip ($2.25) which would have been a 22.5% at previous prices. They already come out ahead in that scenario without tip percentages increasing.
How many years did you work as a server?
I find this sort of behavior is common against people who have zero hours of experience and don’t know anyone that has worked these jobs.
The pride people feel over being cheap is telling. Going into a transaction with known expectations and flaunting the choice to under perform is not a flex. It’s a symptom among many in this flailing county.
Why is 15% considered cheap when 15 years ago it was perfectly acceptable? A percentage is a percentage. Yes, cost of living has gone up but that includes food prices which means tips go up as a result automatically, hence the example I provided.
You said 10% for OK which is cheap.
fuck tipping culture bro lmaooo its cancer
Which is insane, it’s a percentage, compensation for inflation is baked in.
Your logic is inverted. The lines would have to have a place for folks to add in the taxes. Otherwise the math would work in the opposite direction – the calculated amounts would be lower than the amounts based on the number at the bottom. (Unless a discount was applied that’s not shown.)
I’m not sure what you’re saying. But to expand on my point:
A lot of receipts have an area where they show you a “calculated tip” for some %s. Many restaurants calculate the tips using the total (meal+tax) rather than the subtotal (meal).
On those receipts the person still has to calculate the end amount (meal+tax+tip).
Wait so you get scammed but still give 20% tips? This would be an automatic 0% tip
You think the wait staff setup the machine to do math wrong?
yes?
No, that would be the owner or the manager. The best thing to do is never go back and tell everyone you can that they try to rip people off.
Holding the owner responsible for their actions? Sorry chief best I can do is scream at the meakest looking waiter I can find until the police escort me out.
Yeah, what’s likely happening here is that the tip numbers were calculated off the subtotal intentionally. So say you buy a “happy hour” drink and it is $3 instead of $6, they tip is calculated before the “discount”.
Their machine could have actually been wrong, but using a total before discounts seems more likely.
On the surface, I can understand this. It’s not the server’s fault that they got the happy hour rush when everything is 50% off. If anything, they had to work harder because it was busier. Why punish them for that extra work with lower tip calculations? The drinks aren’t any easier or faster to pour just because they’re half off. It should at least be transparent, but I at least understand the reasoning.
What does bug me is when the tip calculations are based on the after-tax total. Fuck that, I’m already getting taxed 10% on this, you don’t need your 18% calculated from that extra 10%.
I don’t really follow this reasoning, so a drink cost X but you calculate Y because at other times it costs Y.
So if you go to a cheap restaurant you increase your tip because the restaurant next door has higher prices? The staff in the cheap restaurant works just as hard, maybe harder.
This whole tip thing need to die ASAP. If everybody just stopped tipping staff would get a normal pay or a better paying other job. But if you don’t tip, how do you show appreciation?? Well, do you tip your wife when she does something nice for you?? No, so people can show appreciation without money.
Wow! Servers are providing a service of waiting on you when you could have made your own food at home without “tipping” your wife. That comparison is asinine and doesn’t belong in your comment. Vastly different!
And the previous commenter stated just because you got $100 worth of half off drinks so $50, you shouldn’t tip off the $50. Drinks were the same, service was the same, etc. just because you have a discount doesn’t mean you had “discounted” service therefore, should still tip off the TOTAL BEFORE DISCOUNTS!
I agree tipping culture needs to die but in America where I was a teacher for years and now make more money as a server with half the hours shows the broken systems of America. Something has to change and not tipping your server isn’t going to do anything but hurt a fellow human trying to just get by like themselves!
Want change? Go to the govt, create a bill, talk to reps for your state, but stop punishing servers for your selfish beliefs and actions! Don’t like it, don’t go out! Want change, then do it!
Go to the govt? Really? In Japan there is no tipping culture, in fact a tip is seen as an insult. Do you really think that has anything to do with their government? Well maybe the exception is that the US allows this BS by not having a decent minimum wage for any job.
Second you completely ignore parts of my response, so if you need to tip the full amount, why is is fair to tip lower at a cheaper restaurant? These people work just as hard.
But let’s go even deeper, you say I’m selfish because these people provide a service? So what? My mailman provides a service, the roadworker that fixed the road I use every day provides a service? Why is tipping even a thing? I need to pay extra for someone doing the job they got hired for?
I’ll meet you half way, we’ll not suggest you pay tips on taxes, but you will pay a $2.99 dining room fee to use our facilities. You can avoid this by doing pick up with a $1.99 convenience fee.
No deal.
*Goes to the place across the street with no BS fees.
Perfect, then I don’t waste my time, table, and food waiting on someone who won’t tip vs someone who will.
I agree if you don’t like it, don’t go there, stop punishing others based off your beliefs.
Tipping is a holdover from slavery. It’s a way to control service workers.
This doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t tip people who rely on tips, it means the system is fucking broken by design.
Tips are a big reason I stopped going out. Everybody wants one.
Every single time I see a fucking Square cash register… One of these motherfuckers:
Every single time I see that piece of shit, I know I’m about to hear the “it’s just going to ask you a few questions” line. And those “few questions” will be asking me to tip 25 goddamned percent on something that I’ve never tipped for before.
