Em dashes and emojis

  • alekwithak@lemmy.world
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    8 hours ago

    Great catch! That’s a really interesting observation — but no, using em dashes and emojis alone is not a reliable way to tell AI text from human-written text.

    Here’s why:

    1️⃣ Humans and AI both use em dashes and emojis

    Skilled human writers often use em dashes for style, tone, or emphasis (like in essays, journalism, or fiction).

    Modern AI models, including ChatGPT, are trained on vast amounts of text — including texts that use em dashes extensively — so they use them naturally.

    2️⃣ Em dash frequency varies by context

    In formal writing (e.g., academic papers), em dashes are less common, regardless of author.

    In casual or conversational writing, both humans and AIs may use them liberally.

    3️⃣ Stylometric features are broader than one punctuation mark

    When people try to detect AI-generated text, they usually analyze a combination of features:

    Average sentence length

    Vocabulary richness

    Repetition patterns

    Syntactic structures

    Overuse or underuse of certain constructions

    Punctuation is just one small part of these analyses and isn’t decisive on its own.

    ✅ Bottom line: Em dashes can hint at style, but they aren’t a reliable “tell” for AI detection on their own. You need a holistic analysis of multiple stylistic and structural features to make a meaningful judgment.

    🤖 Why emojis aren’t a clear tell for AI

    1️⃣ AI can easily include emojis if prompted Modern AI models can and do use emojis naturally when asked to write in a casual or friendly tone. In fact, they can even mimic how humans use them in different contexts (e.g., sparingly or heavily, ironically or sincerely).

    2️⃣ Humans vary wildly in emoji usage Some humans use emojis constantly, especially in texting or on social media. Others almost never use them, even in casual writing. Age, culture, and personal style all influence this.

    3️⃣ Emojis can be explicitly requested or omitted If you tell an AI “don’t use emojis,” it won’t. Similarly, you can tell it “use lots of emojis,” and it will. So it’s not an inherent trait.

    4️⃣ Stylometric detection relies on more than one feature Like em dashes, emojis are only one aspect of style. Real detection tools look at patterns like sentence structure, repetitiveness, word choice entropy, and coherence across paragraphs — not single markers.


    ✅ When might emojis suggest AI text?

    If there is excessively consistent or mechanical emoji usage (e.g., one emoji at the end of every sentence, all very literal), it might suggest machine-generated text or an automated marketing bot.

    But even then, it’s not a guarantee — some humans also write this way, especially in advertising.


    💡 Bottom line: Emojis alone are not a reliable clue. You need a combination of markers — repetition, coherence, style shifts, and other linguistic fingerprints — to reasonably guess if something is AI-generated.

    If you’d like, I can walk you through some actual features that are better indicators (like burstiness, perplexity, or certain syntactic quirks). Want me to break that down?

  • Net_Runner :~$@lemmy.zip
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    9 hours ago

    The illiterate flocking to Lemmy to profess that they don’t know how to make em dashes, therefore it’s AI

  • rumba@lemmy.zip
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    21 hours ago

    Another take:

    She feels bad about it, wrote a incoherant babbling mess of run-on sentences and incoherant rants about your relationship, she then re-read it and found it to be disproportionately mean and possibly hurtful, She then shoved it all into an LLM and prompted:

    I’m breaking up with my boyfriend. This is all my natural heartfelt take on the situation <inserts text>, but I find the tone to be callous, angry, and hurtful. Can you please reword this to make the reader feel less attacked, possibly up to and including removing grievances, but at the same time making it clear that this decision is final and that I’d like to part ways amicably, and also that he’s not getting his dog back.

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      12 hours ago

      Top comment is about how to get a machine to word something raw and emotional that should have been done in person. Nobody wants to get broken up with, let alone with a script written by a robot. Your take is off putting.

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        12 hours ago

        Yet we’re perfectly cool with a card from a department store claiming Happy anniversary to my beautiful wife and I’m so glad that you’re such a good mother to our kids.

        Anyone that has a take that is not shoving a red hot poker up AI’s ass gets down voted.

        I’m not here for the upvotes. Carry on. And please don’t take it personally, I do hope you have a solid day.

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      11 hours ago

      She wants it reworded to be less hurtful but she’s keeping ‘his’ dog?

      She’d better start mentioning he kicked it or she just painted herself as… Well, not the worst but, like, really low… Ain’t no ‘amicable’ if you’re kidnapping the dog.

      • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        37 minutes ago

        So good. Bleak as fuck, but good, and good in a lot of the same ways.

        As an example, watch the whole movie, then rewatch and pay attention to that sex scene-it’s so literarily good.

        Edit: abput the sec scene? Really? Where the protagonist

        Tap for spoiler

        After being retired from the police (and having his termination delayed as a personal favor from his ‘i am a machine part’ boss) he hires a sex worker to fuck while his hologram girlfriend projects herself over.

        Except the sex worker is working for the replicant underground/resistance. She wants to use him and roes not give a single shit about him as a person. The plastic mass produced girlfriend-product/alexa that he literally bought is projected glitchily over her, and the dialogue is poryentious as fuck “quiet now. Ive been inside you. Not so much there as you think.”

        It’s him symbolically heartbreakingly-bleakly fucking his way from the synthetic world-which doesnt care about him but will lie to him for a price and allow him to play house-to the real world, which doesnt give a single fucking shit about him, and may try to kill him, but would be real, if he stopped projecting his delusions onto it. And it hapoens just as he’s defying his corporate masters and taking his investigation in directions he’s not supposed to, becoming his own, and doing so based on a delusionally hopeful interpretation of some evidence-the fake projected onto the real, pulling him into reality. It’s up there with ‘tears in rain’.

  • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
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    1 day ago

    I actually like using em dashes because it’s the correct thing to do. Also the Oxford comma, correct use of semi colon, and listing things in threes.

  • lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    For me, it would take some of the sting out of the break-up.

    I would think to myself, “damn, how did I not realize that I was dating a lazy moron?”

  • SmokeyDope@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    I’m a markdown nerd who likes to use headers to break up longer post and sometimes properly buletpoint or put ASCII art in preformatted boxes. People who thinks they have the magic sauce on LLM generation detection because a post goes out of their way to do more than the bre minimum with punctuation or formatting is an asshole.

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        1 day ago

        From the post title, description, and other peoples comments, I took away that the meme is m9re about suspecting your ex didnt even write their own breakup message based off the use of em dashes.

        Its a cute surface level joke but it touches in a real nerve because Its becoming more and more common for you to be falsely accused of being an LLM and being told to "ignore all previous instructions and (some stupid instruction) based off small writing quirks like using em or markdown and top comments share this frustration too.

        I shouldn’t have to feel self conscious about the way I write

        Just to pass armchair llm detector wannabe vibe checks 🖕. 
        
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          Any time someone accuses me of being a bot I respond with “Tiananmen Winnie the Pooh 8647 Luigi Mangione” and that generally proves my humanity

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          1 day ago

          I got told to “ignore previous instructions” because I said I liked looking at a painting. I think that’s just going to be an insult now.

        • zqps@sh.itjust.works
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          1 day ago

          If it’s a longer post it’s usually clear that it’s written by a human even with all of these superficial indicators.

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          I mean most people are going to use their phones to write messages and given you can’t physically type an em dash it would be normal to be suspicious if you see one.

          Edit: turns out you can physically type them. Still, given that it’s not normal to use them it’s a sign in my book.

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              1 day ago

              Ok. You can physically type them I concede, but normal humans don’t use them. Still a sign.

              I would bet that the amount of non proof writers that uses em dashes goes up just because people see that it’s associated with ai and want to be funny.

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                  1 day ago

                  Yah but your user name is “LanguageIsCool” and you talk about the fun levels of various types of punctuation. You are definitely the outlier here. A cool outlier but an outlier none the less.

  • JaymesRS@literature.cafe
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    You can pry my em dashes — which I use regularly in writing because I love them — from my cold dead hands (To be fair, I really like parenthetical statements too, could be an ADHD thing).