I’m all for it, but what kicked it off?
I don’t get it. They clearly have a left leaning base. Why throw that away?
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Earlier this week a user posted “kill Nazis” and got a warning from Imgur saying that imgur is an inclusive platform, welcome to everyone. (which apparently includes Nazis?)
That’s what kicked this off (again).There was already some upset feelings in the community because at the beginning of the week one of the “Elbow Deep In A” accounts got suspended over a “Gone Mild” drawing of a goblin girl. So it didn’t take much for the community to be really upset with “business daddy”
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kind of wish we would stop letting them have Nordic runes.
Imgur has pissed me off long enough that I decided to roll my own this summer. When all I need is a place to store stuff for easy linking, building a web frontend is pretty trivial.
Plus I’m not limited to whatever file type and size imgur decides.
And guess what, my site condones punching Nazis:
What’s the deal with the grid symbol? The “hashtag” with extra lines?
You know what? I don’t care what kicked it off. I don’t care if it’s a billionaire paying for bots. I’m just glad that the kind of people that get programmed by social media to vote for horrible shit might finally get programmed to do some good for a change.
The rise in nazis thinking they are acceptable
They are becoming so by way of people not doing anything about it, and literally voting them into power.
Nazis and other supremists are the reason intolerance needs to exist.
The social contract of tolerance doesn’t extend to those who are intolerant. They are outside the protection of Tolerant Society’s protection, and the Tolerant are free (and, in fact, strongly encouraged) not to tolerate them, because they aren’t covered.
Reminds me of this old story:
Definitely one of my favorites, and illustrates the point effectively.
This guy obviously didn’t get that memo
He is an outlier. Simply impossible for me and most of other people to be so selfless, social, patient and dedicated.
I really love that story. He is a better person than me. I really wish I still had hope for my fellow man like he does, but trump’s second election fucking broke me. People who I used to think were smart and empathetic were jumping on the “fuck your feelings” bandwagon.
I’ve lost hope. I’ve lost love. I only have anger anymore.
People who I used to think were smart and empathetic were jumping on the “fuck your feelings” bandwagon.
I don’t know your friends. But I’d argue there’s at least some reasoning for this.
If trade policies like globalization have harmed your economic status, offshoring a lot of the jobs you’d previously held, and you were having trouble feeding your family, wouldn’t you vote for the person you thought could fix this? Wouldn’t you say ‘fuck your feelings, I need to feed my family so I’m sorry if you have trouble putting the sex you want on your passport I’m more worried about feeding my family’? At least in concept?I think that’s where a lot of that sentiment came from. The people of the nation are hurting, and part of Trump’s message always was ‘I see you hurting and I want to fix it’. Dems are totally tone deaf in their messaging. A huge % of the populace gets left out of the ‘American Dream’ and they say nothing. And in recent years they focus a lot on social justice issues and identity politics while ignoring the elephant in the room. It’s why those good people are saying fuck your feelings (IMHO at least), because if the choice is your feelings or their livelihood, then of course they’ll tell your feelings to shove off.
Of course it didn’t work out that way- government cutbacks, tariffs, foreign policy, all handled in such a ham-fisted non-strategic way that whatever benefit might have been gained was instead lost. And now it’s the little guy suffering, so you see a lot of people renouncing their votes.
All I’m saying is keep in mind some of those people who said ‘fuck your feelings’ thought they were fighting for a greater good. I don’t believe they turned malicious. Some did I’m sure, but not all of them.
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Thanks for trying to help keep me grounded.
No worries my friend. I know it’s hard, but it’s useful to always assume good faith.
“The monster never sees a monster in the mirror. We all have good reasons and justifications for what we do.” – J. Michael Straczynski
That applies to us too.
I think it especially applied in 2016, first time in my life that all pretense of respectful debate went away, replaced with ‘unfriend me if you like Trump’ as a mainstream accepted even encouraged position to have.
I talk to a lot of people who supported Trump. Most of them talked about tariffs, manufacturing, jobs, there was a dream of bringing back American industry and rolling back outsourcing. Yes there was some assholes, but there were plenty of good American folks who just wanted to keep their jobs.
But if you listened to Democrats, the only valid reason anyone would vote for Trump is because they are a tiki torch wielding racist misogynist sexist xenophobic islamophobic basket of deplorables. The public discourse broke down for good, it was all just insults from both sides.Nobody saw a monster in the mirror. We only saw an opposition supporting a guy who was basically openly racist and creeped on his own daughter.
But they didn’t see a monster in the mirror either. They only saw an ivory tower elite whipping ourselves into a frenzy over which bathroom someone uses while the middle class is dying.That’s why, in my opinion at least, it is always vitally important to generally assume good faith on the part of your opposition. Because if there is good faith, then we repair the cracks that are dividing the country. And if there really isn’t good faith, then we are all totally fucked anyway so it doesn’t make any goddamn difference.
I find that assassinating prominent political figures helps me feel better.
How many have you killed today?
Nice try FBI
.338 Lapua for the soul
I’m just thinking opsec here, why wouldn’t you choose the ubiquitous .308? I mean even ol’ Charles showed us the 30-06 can be effective even if you miss and it is a much more common round.
I’d argue he isn’t tolerating white supremacy, he’s found a good way to counteract it. If he tolerated it he wouldn’t do anything.
It’s BY tolerating it (or more specifically, the people who espouse it) that he fights it.
And I think that’s the key difference- tolerating intolerance (the action), vs tolerating the intolerant (the people).
I think we would all (probably including Mr. Davis) agree that the action of intolerance should not be tolerated. For example, if a local movie theater wants to have ‘whites only’ movie nights, that should not be tolerated and in fact we should all aggressively fight back against such things wherever they happen.
But what of the intolerant person? What of the theater owner in the above example? Should we run him out of town? Tar and feather him? Refuse to talk to him?
The KKK folks he encountered are used to intolerance- threats, shouting, protests, etc. They know they’re not popular, but that helps feed the belief that they are right. They’re used to it. They’re NOT used to being welcomed by anti-racists.And thus Mr. Davis got through to the racist- by tolerating the intolerant, not by tolerating intolerance. It’s a subtle but vital difference.
There’s two wolves in me. One ages with this and the other says nazi punks fuck off and thinks they should be punched.
I think that’s called conflict exhaustion. You’re sick of fighting, sick of holding your nose and respecting things and people you find repugnant, while there’s little/no serious progress in your direction, it seems like there’s more racism and hatred than ever. So part of you is ready to set the world on fire if it gets rid of MAGA and all the thinly veiled (or not so thinly veiled) racism and intolerance.
Just keep in mind that the dark wolf actually serves those nazi punks. Punching them only makes them stronger.
I don’t know that he didn’t get it. He just hadn’t a different method of fighting back. Not everyone is going to be able to go around knocking them out. The vast majority of people won’t in fact. There are still other tools they can use to stop the spread, or, in rare cases, reverse it. You have to be careful to not legitimize it though if you’re doing something like that.
This thread got me thinking a little more about Mr. Davis.
We talk about ‘not tolerating intolerance’ but I think there’s a second level-- there’s the intolerance (the actions of the racist), and then there’s the intolerant (the racists themselves). It’s easy and simple to group the two together- we don’t want racism, we don’t want the KKK, we don’t want KKK members, all of you go fuck yourselves with your burning cross and go die in a fire (preferably in another county).
I don’t think Mr. Davis would tolerate intolerance any more than you or I. But I think what he does is tolerate the intolerant person, engage them in conversation, treat them like a human being. And THAT can help fix intolerance- by reaching out to the intolerant people and trying to bring them into the larger community and heal them, rather than shunning them and reinforcing their stereotypes.
“Hate the sin, love the sinner”, so to speak.
Exactly 100%
Yep, and it has the potential to be very effective. I think we need both of these —punching Nazis and talking with them to change their views.
Another big issue that goes with this is a lot of people will say that if their were bigots once then they should be shunned. This is very harmful though. If we do that then their only reasonable option is to double down. If they lose their group and also can’t be accepted by the rest of society then they’re never going to do that.
I think this problem is much larger than only this right now too. People make their opinions equal to them as a person. They feel if they change their opinion then they’re failing as a person. This isn’t true though. Changing your opinions when you’re shown new information is a sign of strength.
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Do the Nazis ever claim they are intolerant of minorities because the minorities were intolerant to them?
Unironically yes? Replacement theory, blood libel, global elitism… Whatever the angle, lots of -isms expouse roots in victimhood.
That view is fine and dandy with an an omniscient lens of who’s the reactionary intolerant and who is the originator of intolerance.
Group A: “I am intolerant of (group) because they need to go back to their own country and not live in mine.”
Group B: “I am intolerant of (group) because they don’t tolerate other ethnicities.”
This guy: “but who was intolerant first?”
Wrong question. It doesn’t matter who was “first”.
If the first group stops, the problem is gone.
If the second group stops, the problem is not gone but likely growing.You both completely miss the argument. Cile is strawmanning, vas is again viewing from the omniscient or opposing viewpoint.
Virtually all intolerants perceive themselves as victims. Permitting “intolerance of intolerance” is just accelerationist, “might makes right” ideology.
Somebody was banned for posting the GIF of the Nazi Guy getting knocked out (you know the one).
The community is not having it.
Every time I walk past that stretch near Pike and 3rd in Seattle, right over that bit of concrete where the nazi got laid the fuck out, I punch the air. Every time.
Damn, that’s where it happened?? I fucking bike right past that!!
https://www.bet.com/article/x7v52n/seattle-man-records-video-of-a-neo-nazi-getting-knocked-out
Yeah, check the tiles, this is just right outside of one of the entrances to Westlake TC.
I fucken love that GIF
Have you seen this one?
https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/oe7svu/former_astronaut_buzz_aldrin_punching_a/
Not as satisfying as a nazi, but still very good
Sadly the punch didn’t knock any sense in him as Bart Sibrel still believe space is fake, none of the moon landings happened and the earth is flat.
I love that one.
Not the person you responded to but i love that one too!! Thanks for posting it 🙂
“I had eaten over 800mg of THC and was way too high for confrontation so I just held back with two other passersby to watch what would unfold.”
This story just gets better.
I’m ready to sleep half the time at 5mg. Holy shit.
I wouldnt be functioning at that level holy hell
I remember a post on Reddit of someone taking around 1000 mg and going to the bath, then realizing their mistake and being stuck there for half a day and nearly having to call an ambulance.
Anyone eating that much THC has been working their way up to that for a long time.
Lol, I would wake up some time in February with an apetite sufficient to cause a global famine.
Hell yeah, awesome 😂
Woah, wearing the armband and everything. And apparently he was harassing some guy? No wonder he got punched right in the face.
That site needs to pick a font and stick with it.
Someone needs to make a monument, like that woman hitting the nazi with her purse. Maybe, until then, some graffiti to make the location to people passing by? Or maybe some other cheap temporary display.
Imgurians are an odd bunch but I’m glad they’re anti Nazi.
Yeah, best politics of any centralised social media by a long shot.
I know it is, technically. I just never group Imgur into social media. Its always been just an image host in my mind.
When I last used Imgur about ten years ago, they communicated exclusively in gifs and meme phrases. It’s a bit odd.
But, when those browsing /new on Imgur had a mini-uprising and upvoted just anything for a day, weirdest and most outlandish stuff actually made it to the front page. That was the most fun I’ve ever had on a social-media site.
No wonder. Some rich guy must have got very upset. Strange though, plenty of people get punched all the time, and there are plenty more GIFs people getting punched. Banning specifically the Nazi guy getting punched isn’t good PR I think…
gill o’ teens
It just amazes me how to doing the Nazi salute, uniforms and speech’s are entirely okay now. However, being against it gets you banned.
The world has gone a full circle and we are back to the days were fascism, hatred and all that is okay. Unfortunately.
we need socialism. we need to organize a lot more than ever. we need to be revolutionary optimists, and NOT give in to counterrevolutionary doom and gloom and defeatism. seriously!
I don’t know the one
@tanisnikana@lemmy.world was so kind to link the video for us who don’t know.
wow never seen that.
I know its an unpopular opinion, but I don’t agree with punching Nazis. It makes them look like a victim, and violence never works.
I am proud though of the movement against a Nazi resurgence though. The youth deserve more credit than they get for standing up to fascism.
All Nazis deserve to get punched. It makes it look like there’s consequences to their moronic beliefs.
You mean Charlie Kirk getting shot in the neck?
That was funny too, but no they’re talking about this.
a lot of people, regardless of what they think of charlie kirk, got traumatized because it is very graphic. i think some people encouraged playing tetris as a way to get your mind off that video. is it insensitive to tell people to play tetris after watching that graphic video?
Sure, but zoom out. I think the vast majority of people watched it over-and-over in sheer glee.
And later slept much better, knowing that a horrible person spreading hate was no longer
“zoom out”?
imgbox is the way to go
The one that gets its tooth knocked out?
Man I love that clip, you can live vicariously through it for a second.
Yeah and the community does not understand what it means to protect your audience from certain content. Violence is violence. At this point it does not matter who is who. But the community just had too much lead in the water and is unable to form their own thoughts, thus just follow the other sheep.
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You’d be the first to cry when Imgur had to shut down because of problematic content on it. And please, drink less of that tap water.
No, I don’t go on imgur. And uh are you literally going for a doctor strangelove insult there?
That video always makes me uncomfortable because I dont know the actual context. Maybe he was in Halloween fancy dress?
Yes fuck nazis, but I dont know in my bones the person deserved it.
- Go find out then
- Wearing Nazi apparel is never acceptable
Yeah, I think you should cosplay as a nazi the same way we wear fake guns. You better make it abundantly clear that it’s a toy/costume.
Someone I know cosplays as a Nazi. He doesn’t walk around the streets wraring an armband. He goes in full military gear, riding around on an original WWII german bike with sidecar at WWII historic events. You know, like a cosplayer.
If true, then the person you know is a loser and someone should beat the shit out of them.
It doesn’t matter how authentic it is if you’re cosplaying as a fucking Nazi.
I mean, I think historical reenactments are a valid exception to the rule.
Is that “cosplay” though? Certainly not what I would call it.
Do it yourself then tough guy
Literally know nothing about the person, that doesn’t make them a Nazi lol
People like you are the reason why the US is a fascist nation now. Giving literal Nazis the benefit of the doubt over and over because they say that “it’s just a joke” or whatever.
YOU NEVER COSPLAY AS A NAZI…
Also, in the one scenario where I would find dressing up as a nazi acceptable, which is if they’re an actor for a movie/show/play that requires nazi characters, they are not going to just put an armband on their everyday modern clothing.
They’ll wear a proper reconstruction of an actual nazi uniform, and they’re not going to just walk around in that costume, they’re going to be on or around a set, which also gives any possible passerbys the context clues needed to understand that they’re just an actor, thus saving themselves from being punched.
Correction in regards to 2: When you’re in the “are we the baddies”-sketch it’s OK. In fact, I’d say David Mitchell has a free pass, as he always manages to portray the insecurity required to become a nazi.
Mr Chaplain also does a great job with it
Unless you’re cosplaying a dead Nazi
Fun fact I have a swedish tankers trench coat from 1940 and a Swiss helmet from 1942 when I wear them together it basically looks like legally distinct werhmacht. I can pull the samething with an American armor school long coat and a Yugoslav helmet for the Soviet equivalent.
It’s technically not Nazi apparel. It annoys my friends though.
Kinda weird dude…
Well aware but kitbashed great value brand versions of historical uniforms is just kinda a weird side effect of me collecting military surplus and military antiques.
So we’re not allowed to make movies that show the horrific history of Nazi Germany?
The number of people willing to provide cover, and give the benefit of the doubt to people dressing as, and behaving like literal Nazis is too damn high. I’m seeing it everywhere on here lately.
“I don’t know anything about the thing you guys are talking about, but what if he was dressed like that because he’s an actor in a movie?”
Really?
Oh, I’m not defending a specific instance. I’m merely pointing out that there does exist a time and place where people should be allowed to dress as despicable characters from history
You’re allowed, but surely you’d be aware enough not to walk in your costume outside the set. The same goes for theatre or anything. An actor who thinks it’s a good idea to walk outside in a nazi costume has it coming, and that’s a good thing.
Don’t even engage with such a bullshit attempt at deflecting. Look, they’ve already got you talking about a bullshit hypothetical that they literally just made up whole cloth
There’s no deflecting, a stupid statement was made and the stupidity of it is being demonstrated.
I think it more reminds me how easily influenced we can be. “Go find out” is great, but its not possible to research everything you see. Even if I did I’d only find other people talking about the video and would have no real way of discerning who actually knows what theyre talking about and who’s just making credible sounding shit up.
Do you guys not feel that worry somewhere in your mind when you see things like this?
I mean, it’s not like me enjoying the video is going to affect the guy who got punched. I think it’s good that as a society we support videos that appear to show Nazi cosplayers being punched and don’t give them the benefit of the doubt. If I were actually there IRL and able to affect the outcome, I would also be able to ask for the necessary information to determine what to do.
The sources for this video indicate the person wearing the armband:
- Harassed a black man on a bus.
- Walked around downtown Seattle for an hour dressed that way.
- Had several verbal confrontations with passerby who commented on his clothing.
Source 1
- Several 911 calls were placed about this man attempting to instigate fights.
- The man declined to file a police report after the police did appear.
Source 2
For at least an hour at any point leading up to this, the person wearing the armband could have taken it off and stopped interacting with others. To my knowledge, the person who was punched has never spoken to media to explain why they were dressed as such, despite the massive internet fame of the video.
Do you still feel uncomfortable? Do you know in your bones if the person deserved it?
In this specific case im happy enough thanks for that. Thats actually cheered me up a little.
I’m not sure if I’ll ever truly get there, think I’ll be a little more comfortable joining the mob without context next time. This is the most consistent engagement I’ve ever had on this site and I think ive learned a thing or two here.
Well, don’t join the mob blindly. Do your own research. The above information was gathered from one internet search using the available context clues from this post.
It did not take very long and was easy.
Halloween fancy dress?
Dude… give me a break.
Or a movie prop. Or a weird stag night. Or a mentally ill person unaware of the severity of the joke. Or theres a gunman behind the camera making him put the armband on. Or digitally altered before release. Or the list goes on.
What you think you see “Nazi scum punished”
What you actually saw “man gets punched”
Im lowkey shook fr how easily #2 becomes #1. Again, I’d like to point out I’m all for nazis getting fucked up.
If it is a movie prop than the person stays on the lot. There is no stag night justification, mental illness ok…
But you are reaching.
There are certain things you never choose to do. Pretending to be be a Nazi is one of them.
So youre happy that you know based on a 2 second gif and it doesn’t even slightly worry you how easy it is? Maybe it was cut to only show the good bit, but maybe its been cut to rob you of any context.
We have the ability to make anything look like anything, and we’re cheering on violence based on a momentary flash of bad-guy logo, while being the same species that had literal witch- finders like a few generations ago.
I’m more worried now, because instead of seeing the point I’m trying to make people seem to be assuming I’m defending nazis.
people seem to be assuming I’m defending nazis.
You are normalizing them by defending a guy who chose to dress as one in public.
Dude come on. Context alone.
Because you are you fucking moron
Listen it took 4 hours and 70 odd down arrows before anyone provided any actual information, and you people are still piling on.
Minimum 70 people. I dont have enough of a metaphysical language set to get the original point across, but there are lessons to be learned here for all of us.
Fuck off, Nazi sympathiser. You’re literally inventing reasons to justify proudly wearing the symbol of hate and genocide.
Asking for nuanced is not sympathizing with them.
Did you just really ignore monuments comment two above?
I guess we know where your sympathies land
The one that was posted a clear hour after? Im not a time traveller man
Consider:
Someone is getting knocked the F out on camera.
There is a crowd of people
No one is stopping or diffusing the situation
No one is stopping over the check on the fallen
Then calculate it appears to be a guy wearing a nazi arm band
then consider that it would be the shittiest idea for a halloween costume south of blackface and even wearing nazi garb would likely get you a rightful ass-kicking.
There’s no math there that makes that even slightly questionable.
Fancy dress? That’s a stretch. Usually in fancy dress you’re imitating someone. Who is he meant to be? Just a generic Nazi.
Bait used to be believable SMH my head…
Yeah, his hand coming up in a way that could be “this isn’t what you think” doesn’t help. The description makes the situation sound very different though and there’s not much of an excuse for the armband right now. But yeah, not a fan of the gif now I’ve seen it
this is clipped. in a longer version he’s talking shit a second before he says “wait hold on now”
https://tenor.com/view/punch-nazis-punch-nazi-gif-4407514585179777115
Oh yeah, I can get behind this gif a lot more
“wait wait, this isn’t as bad as it looks, there’s a subtle context here that…”
-POW-He did not visualize that coming.
Ha. Nice subversion.
Whenever I have a knee-jerk response and it seems too played out, I think of a way to subvert it instead.
He tried a jedi force trick to stop the punch. And failed.
should’ve been ran out of town on a rail like homer stokes in the 2000 film “o brother where art thou”. seriously!
if you have a time machine, please prevent that red scare and also encourage any socialists/communists to express themselves. seriously!
if this were a socialist country, whoever got punched would’ve been in jail, and the person doing the punching would probably serve in the red army, working to protect the proletariat. seriously!
richard b spencer is an a-hole. seriously!
Have you ever lived if you never have punched a Nazi?
So I infrequently use Imgur and basically a user got banned for saying ‘kill all nazis’ and another user’s post got taken down that had anti-nazi rhetoric. This is the most recent of a few scenarios where the mods have been seen as incompetent or overall shitty and so the community revolts. Honestly kinda dig it, at least they can coordinate and show a unified front…granted it’s slacktivism to a point but it gets people’s attention? Idk how I feel about it honestly.
Wait, how is “not equal to” a Nazi symbol?
It still surprises me that people use Imgur as a social media site. Imgur to me is a place that hosts image to be used on other social media sites. Using imgur as a social media site is like using a url shortener as a social media site. What’s next, Captcha becomes a social media hangout?
A lot of reddit users, especially those who have recently been permabanned due to the great censorship purge, are just hanging out there now. Not much censorship.
It’s super antifa. I scroll there a lot when I’m in a meme mood.
I’d say it started going hard political around the same time as everything else. February 2025.
