Thanks, I found it just before I saw your reply and edited it in :)

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Edit: This URL works

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-said-to-warn-jewish-donor-that-maga-world-starting-to-hate-israel/

I dunno, the original meaning was kind of cool.

even though there is no hope, we have a moral obligation to try

I absolutely agree with this. Hope isn’t necessary, but I think it can keep you going. My general approach for the last 2 decades has been a kind of cynical optimism - hope for the best, expect the worst.

Also, there is so much we don’t know about how humans can operate on the planet, it seems arrogant to assume you know what the exact outcome will be.

Sure, but now you don’t need the human element.

That’s a bummer dude. Not all of us are in that space.

(I’m also not gonna profess any certainty of avoiding +4°C, but I still see a possibility, because I hang around a lot of people working on making it happen, in many diverse ways).

None of them will tell you you’re a fucking idiot, even when you deserve it.

I had the thought recently, that the popularity of AI today really explains the popularity of yes-men in the past.

https://genius.com/Run-the-jewels-walking-in-the-snow-lyrics

Knew I’d heard this somewhere. RTJ is just 💋 🤌

I’ve played with switches before, and some DIY electronics, and have done some network admin. I’ll grant that the actual internal electronics and software are far to complex for even me to understand.

But again, if you talk to someone with some interest in what you’re doing, you can find a level they they can understand. Maybe using metaphors like human-operated old-school telephone switch boards, that’s an image that most people will have seen, and can understand at a coarse conceptual level. You CAN have an interesting conversation at the level, if YOU want to be interested in it (and if they do, which is partially contingent on you being able to connect with them in the first place).

If you think climate is simpler or more accessible, I’d suggest you have a quick go at explaining the Navier-Stokes equations, Darcy’s law for fluid flow through porous media, or why convective storm activity needs to be parameterised in climate models (and at what scale it doesn’t). Climate isn’t easier, or more accessible than network admin - both require years or tertiary education to start understanding even parts of the underlying principles, and no one person understands either field completely. It IS probably more familiar for most people, because it’s in the media all the time. But again, that’s just a matter of finding the extent of their knowledge and interest, and coming up to their level.

If you can’t be part of the solution, be part of the problem, I guess?

I don’t though, because I actually know how to talk to normal humans. It’s not that hard. You start high-level, and then gauge their curiosity (via questions and body language), and then go a bit deeper, and if they start getting confused, then you back up a bit, and you just stay at their level, not at whatever insane depth your own brain might be at at the time. You use metaphors to link what’s happening in your work to things they have experienced in their life to build understanding at their level. Simplify and abstract, without dumbing it down.

My brain is fully stuck in philosophy of science mode at the moment, and thinking about how to integrate climate science with financial risk models (and how that doesn’t make sense in some ways). I have talked with people from across the spectrum, from people working in climate science or finance for decades, to people with a high-school education. The conversations are nearly always interesting (for both of us), and usually decently long. It’s really not that hard, if you just make an effort to meet people where they are.

https://lemmy.world/post/33573626/18479159

Did you even read my comment before responding aggressively? Do you see how there can be a difference between +2°C and +4°C?

I don’t necessarily mean trying to convince people of something, I more mean conversing with interested, but less educated people. Convincing people is a whole separate skill set to just explaining your technical knowledge in plain language (which is the part that’s beneficial here).

Fair point. I’m not American, and haven’t delved deeply into it. They do seem to have been implicated in ousting a few progressive candidates in the past, but yeah, I may be misunderstanding.

I meant I’ll believe it when I see them putting forward meaningfully progressive candidates in polls.

A messaging app is extremely hard to “spin up bespoke solutions” for, because a solution’s success is 99% dependent on the network effect.

Perhaps when a protocol like signal but decentralised is available, then we might be able to say that.

whelp, I guess that’s the end of that joke thread

So no harder than email then