Battledield now throwing an error because Valorant is already sitting in kernel memory. Time to buy your EA Battlefield PC but don’t forget your Valorant PC
War…war never changes.
You could also just not play games that think they are allowed to access the kernel at all. Seems safer, more affordable, and basically without downside. They aren’t even that good of games.
They aren’t even that good of games.
Hard copium there
I think the point is there are a lot of excellent shooters to choose from.
Sure, but from what I’ve seen, this battlefield isn’t bad
But yea we know EA
Yes because I truly love my shooters becoming more and more homogenized. Counter strike with hero abilities!?!? Oh my GOD let me spend 100’s of dollars on skins yes PLEASE Riot. Battlefield but it’s more like CoD? YES daddy DICE PLEASE spit in my mouth again, I love the taste.
You liking other type of games doesn’t mean all other games are shit. Most games are pretty basic. I mean csgo is generic as hell and Valorant improves the genre with abilities, good map design, proper character identities, and you say they make homogenized shit?
You not liking AAA games doesn’t mean they’re shit. There’s nothing wrong with making games that stick to a genre but do it perfectly
There isn’t a single character ability in Valorant that does not have an analog from League of Legends. The biggest hype surrounding BF6 is the fact that they’re bringing back a mechanic from BC2, and also that it’s smaller and more like CoD (I know, I played the beta). Yes, it’s homogenized garbage. Also no, they absolutely don’t do it perfectly, there are better tactical shooters against both titles. It is quite literally a video game fast food equivalent.
Never played LoL but I’m pretty sure that’s false
I’ve played both, granted I stopped playing valorant after 2 games because it’s fucking boring (for reference I stomped both games with +30 kills and a handful of deaths, dicking around with every gun) so I easily could be wrong about my assertion. You would be hard pressed to find a single character ability that doesn’t already exist in CS or LoL.
Edit: That isn’t even approaching the Overwatch comparisons. Like, you can argue that the games are fun — that’s entirely subjective. But seriously, Valorant isn’t homogenous? How many hero shooters exist? The fucking sniper is called the Operator.
They made a great game from this genre, and I don’t believe I’ve ever played a cs-like game with agents
Games dont belong in the kernel. Shit should have stayed in userspace. No, I dont care how many billions are on the line, games are not that important.
Those are not games but anticheats
True, your wording was my intention.
But is your intention my wording?
alternative: Games do not belong on computers that do non-game things.
Anyway, this is going to be resolved as soon as north korea finds out who many people have important stuff on PC they game on, and hack some hapless devs source to install a rootkit on 100m PCs via steam.
Yes they do. If I want games and non games on my PC then that is up to me, I am the fucking admin.
Yes they do. If I want malware and non malware on my PC then that is up to me, I am the fucking admin.
Fixed your post, and yes you are the admin, you can do what you want.
That was one hell of a leap in (il)logical thinking…
Do you think every videogame is malware?
I don’t think you understand people don’t have money to buy one computer to work, one to play, or a console to play. People are cheap that way, when it comes to food or a gaming console they choose food.
Bait used to be believable.
I guess only Nintendo is allowed to release games then.
Sony can’t, Playstation has a web browser and therefore games do not belong on it.
Checkmate, the playstation 5 doesn’t have a web browser
Neither did Playstation from what I remember
Playstation 2, 3 and 4 could run a web browser (although in all cases it was netfront, worse than Microsoft explorer 6)
I mean, i expected some comments on this, but that ? really?
very weak. back to the drawing board.
It’s a shame, they won’t get my money
It boggles my mind so many people give a shit about these awful franchises. Surely there is something else to play
Sure. And when your entire friend group starts playing one of them, you can either join in, or see if you can wait out their interest.
Or did you think everyone games in a bubble?
Yeah, I remember this with CoD.
Everyone I knew was on console through. Are people cross playing these days? Or using PC more?
There is an audience for such games. Mainly for them to blow off steam and try to see if they’re a better crack shot than anyone, and sometimes to acquire a degree of fame. They have spent enormous amounts of money hoping to land more shots at a higher framerate.
I’m now more content quietly playing an offline sandbox game, no rush at all.
Project Zomboid is fun as hell.
It barely gets a passing grade, and that’s only if you’ve installed all the QoL mods.
Suggesting project zomboid to battlefield players is a really bad idea
I think these franchises have people hooked on a FOMO drip somehow, maybe I’m wrong. I’ve never seen the appeal myself.
Are you guys talking about Battlefield? A AAA fps with 128 players? With absolute bangers like 1942, Vietnam, 2142, 2, 4, and 1?
No idea why people like it. Dead franchise imo
Bad Company 2 and BF3 were great too :(
Haven’t played any since, and definitely won’t defile my kernel with these new rootkit requirements.
I feel I would rather just opt out of playing these games. It ain’t worth it.
I feel like they should just host the entire game and stream it to players if they want to eliminate cheating, but that’s probably the most anti-SKG way to publish a game possible. Oh well.
Actually makes it easier to write aimbots and triggerbots, since you’ll have the video feed and can respond with the right inputs. Skips the step where you’ve got to film the monitor on the machine that’s ‘playing’ the game, which is protected by the HDCP between the PC and the screen.
The types of cheats that anti cheat in kernel space are trying to detect don’t view the video feed as such. They hook the process directly to read the memory, and the chest developer has reverse engineered the game binary to find out what variables correspond to things like opposing players, then using that information they draw stuff like wall hacks on the screen.
But yeah I guess an fps developer could move to a GeForce now type of model to eliminate cheats like that, but then no one would play that fps because of the input lag issues.
Good point. Guess it’s hopeless?
To be honest I haven’t thought about this much because playing online games with strangers is not something I enjoy in the first place. I’m sure others have good ideas, though.
Seeking a technical solution to a non-technical problem. Rather than having one set of company-hosted servers that they then struggle to police, just let everyone host their own, and they can be responsible for banning anyone that doesn’t follow the community rules.
But then that lets people socialize using the game without the company being able to harvest their data.
Yeah I wish we could go back to a model like that, the way PC gaming used to be. The sticking point would be battle pass progression, as mush as I hate it and an FPS is pretty much doa without it, although Hell Let Loose allows for rank progression while playing on clan-rented servers so it should work in theory.
That’s actually super funny to me.
Soon you will only be able to play on certified monitors with anticheat tampering built in. They 100% guarunteed will not be backdoored or phone home, pinky promise, it is certain.
Soooo, you’re telling me, that if I want to use a NVIDIA graphics card in Linux, I am not allowed to load its official driver’s kernel modules unless I either deactivate secure boot or generate my own signing key and load it into the UEFI, as otherwise this would make the kernel untrusted. But on windows every $random_game_publisher is allowed to run at kernel level without it being considered untrusted?
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Who could have foreseen that letting game companies into the kernel would cause problems?
Micro transactions on intentionally caused blue screens when?
Microsoft, ironically. The one time they were right.
Granted, it wasn’t in anyone’s best interests but their own for not wanting anyone else to have kernel level access.
let $random_game_publisher = "Ubisoft"; print("But on windows every {$random_game_publisher} is allowed...?"); > But on windows every Ubisoft is allowed...?I’d like to report an issue with your code.
Well, see, there’s your problem. You handcrafted this code carefully, but didn’t think about today’s coding standards. That’s outdated code you use. Why use a simple print with variable substitutions, if you can instead just vibe print it by sending a rough description what your program tries to output to an LLM to account for such possible errors! /s
These anti-cheats don’t even work. Anyone can go out and buy a hardware DMA card with an FPGA on it, which is basically a modern day Action Replay. It has full access to RAM without touching the OS and cheaters like to use them to get around anti-cheat.
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Very interesting…
yeah, i haven’t done tech support in a hot minute either and had to look up some shit too. All that makes sense, although I don’t recall it existing in the early 90s when I actually thought I knew what i was talking about.
I remember when FPGAs were prohibitively expensive.
You just put me on a rabbit hole of looking at what FPGA means. Are these cheaters buying their cards already made? Learning such magic to cheat in games seems very weird.
Is “Mister FPGA” an FPGA because it can reprogram its “internal logic” to be as the gaming chips from the consoles?
How come people know so much? Dang here I thought being a computer wizard was one thing and you shattered my expectationsAn FPGA is essentially a reprogrammable computer chip, or integrated circuit (IC), that can behave as another computer chip. It is widely used in the development of new ICs.
The MiSTer FPGA project uses an off-the-shelf Altera DE10-nano development board, which has a combo FPGA + ARM SoC on it. The OS, USB controller input, and some other stuff runs on the ARM core, and the FPGA is reprogrammed upon launching a core to behave as closely as possible to the original hardware that it’s emulating.
FPGAs can either be pre-programmed or programmed on-the-fly. In consumer hardware, FPGAs and CPLDs (essentially weak FPGAs) are used when you need an IC produced in small scale, or when you need to be able to change the functionality of the IC with updates.
People know so much because they take the time to learn, and it does take a lot of time and patience.
Thank you for the reply.
“People know so much because they take the time to learn, and it does take a lot of time and patience”.
Off topic but I don’t think is that easy. We only have so much time… I just learned about this stuff. If I was 80 it would be game over.
Nothing that takes significant amounts of time to accomplish is easy. Many people go to school specifically to learn about FPGA development (Computer Engineering students specifically).
You can also still get everything working in software.
Isn’t Microsoft about to block kernel modules like this entirely? I thought I read that somewhere
Yeah, to stop another CrowdStrike, but it’s not a sure thing, yet there’s talk of api’s etc and wouldn’t surprise me if certain companies got a pass. An article covering your point: https://www.theverge.com/news/692637/microsoft-windows-kernel-antivirus-changes
I hope so much that this will happen.
Nope. They’re developing an alternative set of APIs for userspace in conjunction with security vendors for their products to use but it’s all still a long way off and will be optional to start with.
Given the volume of mission-critical devices security products are installed on (which the CrowdStrike fuckup highlighted), getting them out of kernel space would be a huge risk reduction for the world. And security vendors would love to get away from that risk as pulling a CrowdStrike costs a lot of money setting things right with customers.
But an anticheat used by consumers on their personal devices for a game, not such a big deal.
While I’m sure MS will eventually deprecate and then kill off third party kernel drivers, it could take a decade since MS has so much business (both internal and within their customer base) that relies on legacy crap.
Yep, they’re planning to create a new way to do it, not disable the old way.
And I think that a decade for disabling the old way is optimisticI have a feeling you’re right about this. I do wish Microsoft would take the Apple approach as Apple steamed ahead with deprecating kernel-mode access.
Love them or hate them, Apple take security a lot more seriously than Microsoft these days and it’s a real shame MS see security architecture as a nuisance rather than a core responsibility of their business.
it’s a real shame MS see security architecture as a nuisance rather than a core responsibility of their business.
I’m pretty sure the reason behind this is that they treat backwards compatibility as a higher priority in a lot of cases. There are so many odd choices I see in my day to day that I can only explain away by backwards compatibility. It’s part of the reason you see them take forever to depreciate old and insecure protocols until they get an encouragement from a vuln hitting the news.
That’s what I’ve noticed as well. They keep the old stuff around for as long as they can, because some software made 30years ago is critical to our society so they need to support it or we’re doomed
Like Japanese trains being controlled by some Flash app
And it’s not like the companies will update old stuff, either. They’ve shown a willingness to forget about old games as soon as the revenue dips too much. The result will be that those games will be unplayable in the future.
Ahahahaha. 😂 That is just brilliant. The kernel anti-cheat deadlock.
No no deadlock was that weird moba valve put out and supported for a whooping 2 months
Wdym supported for 2 months? It was, and still is, in closed alpha, getting regular updates
My bad, it just never makes any news rounds anymore so to the majority of game players it may as well be dead.
Valve never intended for deadlock to have as much media coverage as it did. It happened anyways because a media outlet chose to ignore the informal NDA message that popped up when launching the game. The message was removed shortly after the incident.
They are no longer supporting it?
It’s not even released yet, its still being developed.
Dota2? /s
Its*. This word is an exception to the rule of using an apostrophe to indicate possession. It’s is always a contraction for “it is”.
It’s not an exception. Pronouns never have apostrophes for possessive.
His. Hers. Theirs. Its.
I didn’t even catch that the first time. But what should we expect from garbage software?
Them insisting on having match making for the main modes was my red line. While this nonsense is not a deal breaker for me, as I almost always tryhard a single multiplayer game at a time anyway if I’m playing multiplayer at all. This sounds like I’m dodging another future headache whenever the next game insists on kernel level anti-cheat though.
or adjust it is settings
Good job EA
