If a salesman misrepresents his product in any way of form, he gets called a swindler, faces potential legal consequences, and the people who bought his product are called “victims”.
If a politician does this, it’s just “business as usual”, and his voters were supposed to do enough research to make the correct choice.
You know, I said a similar thing about Brexit. To a British person. In their face. While being way less intoxicated than I care to admit. And she replied a thing that still resonates with me to this day. She said that I have to remember that there were a significant number of people who didn’t vote Leave, and they’re now being fucked over as well. They didn’t want that, they didn’t vote for that, and yet they still have to live with the consequences. And leaving the country is not an option for most people.
Remember that when you talk about what “y’all Texans” voted for. Have some empathy and compassion for the people that did the right thing and still have to live through this shit now. Learn from my mistake.
It’s been, idk, six years or something since, and I still cringe at least once a week thinking about how ignorant I was. Never had/took the chance to apologize either.
If Britain had reentered the EU, began to stabilize, and voted to Leave a second time, the analogy would be fair. But as it is, Americans that voted for trump or didn’t vote on morality reasons, had ALL of the evidence, and consequently I think deserve to be reminded of that. In my experience people that voted Blue are pretty happy to share that and jump of the “Have the day you voted for” train.
I’m not sure how much, if any, this applies to Brexit, but Trump 2 was also the result of the inaction, complacency and outright complicity of plenty of people who “did the right thing.” This goes way beyond the fascists, so I’m still pretty comfortable saying Americans did this to themselves.
No, I’ve just thought about the trajectory America is on for more than five seconds, so I put the “did the right thing” bar higher than voting blue. The self-defeating stupidity and willful ignorance of most of the “good” half of the American political spectrum leaves very little room for sympathy. For the exact same reason that MAGA thinking everything they don’t like is a liberal hoax isn’t an excuse for their stupidity, the liberal center thinking everything they don’t like is a Russian conspiracy isn’t an excuse for their stupidity. I mean hell, did you see how people here were talking about Uncommitted in 2024? That’s not “doing the right thing;” that’s being a useful idiot, and there’s not much reason to distinguish between blue useful idiots and red useful idiots. I do feel bad for the non-idiots, but the past year and a half have proven that that demographic is distressingly small.
I think it’s implied that this is targeted at people who voted Trump. Of course I feel bad for the people who voted Harris, but now have to deal with the same bs. Same thing for Brexit. At least that is how I understand it.
According to many suspicions and now also reported from an NSA agent that was involved in the investigations, Harris beat trump by a wide margin. The voting machines had been tampered with in order to fix the election, and that the machines used have more or less been vulnerable to this happening and likely has been happening for the last 15+ years, allegedly.
So we may not have voted for this. Not to mention the hard gerrymandering that has been happening for the past 20 years. (There’s pretty much always been gerrymandering, though).
It’s concerning that I see no real momentum picking up over this and voter roll purges, and all the bomb threats on election night that absolutely no one wants to talk about.
It feels like the conservatives have poisoned the water on election “stealing” rhetoric so well, so that now, when there is evidence and patterns that deserves to be picked up, no one wants to do it at the risk of, “being like them.”
And that is dangerous logic when dealing with bad faith actors with power, access and motive.
Not for people, whose political knowledge were much less. I’ve talked with people on Facebook, who legit thought Project 2025 was a hoax made to “trigger the libs”. They only realized there were literal instruction videos and a 700 page plan (not just a few pages), once Trump returned to office.
Ignorance isn’t innocence. Playing games to “trigger the libs” makes you just as guilty as every one else, and even more a piece of shit. We don’t have elections to “trigger” another party. We do it because the lives of millions are on the line.
The signs where there 2016 and it was even clearer 2020, those people should have done thier own research and used critical thinking…
but the truth is they kind of where incapable of that
The fact so many people are not equipped with such skills is half meticulous conspiracy to consolidate power and half Reagan and likewise idots of both parties.
The education system, news media and so many factors that should be helping people be informed and help them to inform themselves have been purposefully dismantled and happenstancely mangled.
It is not an accident, it is not coincidental, it is not a mystery that so many people are not taught critical thinking and related skills.
(Hell the gop is still hellbent on getting rid of the modern codification of critical thinking and education best practices (SEL))
It’s like we are complaining of all the people stumbling into things because they are blind and we’re mad because they ain’t really blind they just have thier eyes closed but the systems and people that where supposed to teach them how to open thier eyes was dismantled and they lived thier lives so long blind they cannot fathom anything else, it would mean they where lied to and betrayed all thier life, it is much easier for them to accept everyone is blind and sight is the lie.
There’s one critical difference between these two things: Your vote affects the whole country, not only yourself. Someone who decides to use that power based on vibes and willful ignorance while there’s no shortage of people telling them the truth can’t later claim innocence; we as people have a duty to at least try to be informed on the consequences our actions have on other people. MAGAs would deserve some sympathy if their stupidity only affected themselves, but there’s certainly no party affiliation filter to being thrown in Alligator Alcatraz.
If a salesman misrepresents his product in any way of form, he gets called a swindler, faces potential legal consequences, and the people who bought his product are called “victims”.
If a politician does this, it’s just “business as usual”, and his voters were supposed to do enough research to make the correct choice.
Project 2025 was pretty fucking clear. Y’all picked and continue to pick the red team 🎉
You know, I said a similar thing about Brexit. To a British person. In their face. While being way less intoxicated than I care to admit. And she replied a thing that still resonates with me to this day. She said that I have to remember that there were a significant number of people who didn’t vote Leave, and they’re now being fucked over as well. They didn’t want that, they didn’t vote for that, and yet they still have to live with the consequences. And leaving the country is not an option for most people.
Remember that when you talk about what “y’all Texans” voted for. Have some empathy and compassion for the people that did the right thing and still have to live through this shit now. Learn from my mistake.
It’s been, idk, six years or something since, and I still cringe at least once a week thinking about how ignorant I was. Never had/took the chance to apologize either.
If Britain had reentered the EU, began to stabilize, and voted to Leave a second time, the analogy would be fair. But as it is, Americans that voted for trump or didn’t vote on morality reasons, had ALL of the evidence, and consequently I think deserve to be reminded of that. In my experience people that voted Blue are pretty happy to share that and jump of the “Have the day you voted for” train.
I’m not sure how much, if any, this applies to Brexit, but Trump 2 was also the result of the inaction, complacency and outright complicity of plenty of people who “did the right thing.” This goes way beyond the fascists, so I’m still pretty comfortable saying Americans did this to themselves.
People love to have a reason to look down on other people.
It is practically an animal instinct, it is an effect of our hard wired tribalism.
Your comment is pretty telling that you are just as influenced by this.
No, I’ve just thought about the trajectory America is on for more than five seconds, so I put the “did the right thing” bar higher than voting blue. The self-defeating stupidity and willful ignorance of most of the “good” half of the American political spectrum leaves very little room for sympathy. For the exact same reason that MAGA thinking everything they don’t like is a liberal hoax isn’t an excuse for their stupidity, the liberal center thinking everything they don’t like is a Russian conspiracy isn’t an excuse for their stupidity. I mean hell, did you see how people here were talking about Uncommitted in 2024? That’s not “doing the right thing;” that’s being a useful idiot, and there’s not much reason to distinguish between blue useful idiots and red useful idiots. I do feel bad for the non-idiots, but the past year and a half have proven that that demographic is distressingly small.
If I remember correctly, a lot of people just didn’t vote, which means the people who did vote to stay just got screwed that much harder
I think it’s implied that this is targeted at people who voted Trump. Of course I feel bad for the people who voted Harris, but now have to deal with the same bs. Same thing for Brexit. At least that is how I understand it.
According to many suspicions and now also reported from an NSA agent that was involved in the investigations, Harris beat trump by a wide margin. The voting machines had been tampered with in order to fix the election, and that the machines used have more or less been vulnerable to this happening and likely has been happening for the last 15+ years, allegedly.
So we may not have voted for this. Not to mention the hard gerrymandering that has been happening for the past 20 years. (There’s pretty much always been gerrymandering, though).
It’s concerning that I see no real momentum picking up over this and voter roll purges, and all the bomb threats on election night that absolutely no one wants to talk about.
It feels like the conservatives have poisoned the water on election “stealing” rhetoric so well, so that now, when there is evidence and patterns that deserves to be picked up, no one wants to do it at the risk of, “being like them.”
And that is dangerous logic when dealing with bad faith actors with power, access and motive.
Not for people, whose political knowledge were much less. I’ve talked with people on Facebook, who legit thought Project 2025 was a hoax made to “trigger the libs”. They only realized there were literal instruction videos and a 700 page plan (not just a few pages), once Trump returned to office.
Ignorance isn’t innocence. Playing games to “trigger the libs” makes you just as guilty as every one else, and even more a piece of shit. We don’t have elections to “trigger” another party. We do it because the lives of millions are on the line.
yes, and yes.
The signs where there 2016 and it was even clearer 2020, those people should have done thier own research and used critical thinking… but the truth is they kind of where incapable of that
The fact so many people are not equipped with such skills is half meticulous conspiracy to consolidate power and half Reagan and likewise idots of both parties.
The education system, news media and so many factors that should be helping people be informed and help them to inform themselves have been purposefully dismantled and happenstancely mangled.
It is not an accident, it is not coincidental, it is not a mystery that so many people are not taught critical thinking and related skills. (Hell the gop is still hellbent on getting rid of the modern codification of critical thinking and education best practices (SEL))
It’s like we are complaining of all the people stumbling into things because they are blind and we’re mad because they ain’t really blind they just have thier eyes closed but the systems and people that where supposed to teach them how to open thier eyes was dismantled and they lived thier lives so long blind they cannot fathom anything else, it would mean they where lied to and betrayed all thier life, it is much easier for them to accept everyone is blind and sight is the lie.
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There’s one critical difference between these two things: Your vote affects the whole country, not only yourself. Someone who decides to use that power based on vibes and willful ignorance while there’s no shortage of people telling them the truth can’t later claim innocence; we as people have a duty to at least try to be informed on the consequences our actions have on other people. MAGAs would deserve some sympathy if their stupidity only affected themselves, but there’s certainly no party affiliation filter to being thrown in Alligator Alcatraz.