So even flying over America without landing there is going to become dangerous.
Best choose flights with Polar routes, going the other way around or which fly over South America instead.
In the future when anyone suggests some cockamamie idea, they are going to say “That was another Trump era failure. We already tried it, and it didn’t work.”
Then some dummy will say “Yeah, but that was Trump. He was an idiot. We’ll do it right!” And then we’ll waste another few billion.
Prompt unclear, plane stuck in skyscraper.
“you’re absolutely right! I have revised my response, here are some better instructions…”
Revisions unclear… A second plane has struck a skyscaper.
We don’t have enough air traffic controllers.
We use AI to reduce their workload. <---- We are here
We don’t need as many air traffic controllers.
We sack more air traffic controllers.
We don’t have enough air traffic controllers.
Maybe this will finally bring back a solid rail and bus transit infrastructure again.
Where are the Maglev Bullet Trains we were promised?
China and Japan
China is a perfect model. They built their bullet train system FAST, like in a decade. America needs to do that, but also keep the ticket prices down.
Wow. Just wow. This sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. So, how will the AI cope with a pilot not following instructions and/or confused by the instructions? Or better yet, how about weather events? It looks like self-driving cars, but with airplanes. If done even slightly incorrectly, it will be disastrous, but if it is not a real-time tool and has a human that actually checks its recommendations and acts accordingly, then it might be okay. Either way, I will be avoiding flying once this rolls out. WOW.
You didn’t read the article. The answer is simple. It won’t, because it’s not being used for airspace control.
The article isn’t clear but based on the examples it might not be used for ‘real time’ operations at all. It’s being used for flight scheduling to make sure there aren’t more planes inbound than there are runways for a given time period and other such problems weeks in advance.
I still don’t agree with it given AI’s track record but it isn’t the dire situation you described either.
Mayday mayday mayday, we need to land immediately, but before we can do that, we need a python script that reverses the order of items in a linked list…
I find myself disagreeing with Lemmy more and more these days, but ATC seems like one of those things that could really benefit from AI. I don’t like generative AI being pushed into everything these days either, but a well designed AI can take in all of the things an air traffic controller has to manage and identify things a controller might miss.
Of course this is a money making operation which isn’t ideal because capitalism, but I’m fairly certain this will either reduce or maintain existing incident rates while making it more efficient
Or they could just hire more people so they aren’t perpetually understaffed and over worked. This is a safe proven method that has worked for decades, no unproven tech from questionable ai businesses needed.
The issue is YOU are talking about REAL AI - statistical analysis and modeling leading to decision making with increasingly better fits.
The Transportation Secretary is most CERTAINLY vaguely referring to “that Claude thing that can do anything”, and it’s a series of plane crashes waiting to happen.
Let’s say the error rate is 0.1%. Pretty low, right. But that’s one mistake per thousand flights. Are they really okay with one plane out of a thousand potentially crashing? There are certain industries and jobs where AI simply cannot and should not be used.
Each day, about 100-120 people die in car crashes in America.
Over 45,000 planes fly in America every day, and over 5000 are in the air at any given moment. With a crash rate of 1 out of a thousand, we’d be having multiple plane crashes, with thousands of people killed, every day. One plane crash could easily match or surpass that daily car crash number, and we’d be having multiple plane crashes per day.
1 out of a thousand? I’d never fly again. NOBODY would ever fly again.
Sarcasm:
But think of the insurance people! Look at how many insurances are waiting to be denied and robbed!
More importantly, we can justify every other profit increase, because our economies are built on literal exploitation just as they did a couple hundred years prior!
Modern exploiting problems require modern idol solutions.
Sadly there is part of the population that will view that as a valid argument. Faux News, news max, OAN and all the conservative talk radio will feed it to them
My mistake, you’re absolutely right – I neglected to ensure the runway was clear before scheduling that landing. Please accept my apologies for causing those deaths. I’m really glad to be working with you, it’s reassuring that you’ll always keep me honest. You’re not just an assistant traffic controller – you’re a friend.
Well, at least the AI seemed sincere in their apology.
HAL-9000 if it was made today
National Geographic producers are rubbing their hands knowing that future seasons of Air Crash Investigations are secure.
People just straight up believe AI is magic.
What could go wrong!?!
Yes.
There some people gonna die
But look at the PROFITS! TOTALLY worth it!
But that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make
And some politicians will get off scot free with the “WeLl It WaSnT Us iN CoNtRoL oF De aI!1!” Line.
It was Biden’s fault. Or Obama. Or Hillary. Or Jimmy Carter. Or FDR.
“I just saved big money that was being wasted paying controllers. Not my fault the computer killed a few people, maybe a couple hundred tops. You should go arrest that AI”
Glad I don’t fly.
Do you live within 50km of an airport ?
Carry an umbrella.
Not a major one.
Lucky.
But if you flew you wouldn’t have to be on one of these crashing airplanes
Oh man! Pilot here.
And we thought Reagan fucked up!
Oh, he definitely did. But you can never underestimate the power of ANY politician to fuck things up WORSE.
It’s kind of their superpower.
It’s still appropriate to blame Reagan, funnily enough.
Yeah, he’s got a lot to answer for in Hell.
I wish I believed in that stuff. It would so satisfying to know that those dipshits are suffering, but they aren’t.
We can’t count on these jackals getting punished in the next life, we have to take care of it ourselves. Make them think Hell will be a vacation.
Hi. I dont know shit about flying or the demands of personnel in a control tower (especially at a place like atl). I’m also fairly anti-AI for various reasons. But it seems to me, from ground level and with a view of the trees, that AI would be better at juggling all of the data and variables of planes in the sky, compared to a moron like me. Given that you’re a pilot, can you help me understand why that’s not the case?
AI doesn’t juggle data and variables very well, add the fact you have been lied to about what AI does to your list of reasons.
There’s an IMMENSE amount of human interaction in air traffic control. The thing AI is the absolute worst at.
The only real way it could work is if everything was turned over to computers. And we’re not there yet.
Yeah I could imagine well made traffic management software could be a real positive. But we all know AI shits the bed sometimes, it should always be overseen by human controllers.
