• mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    15 days ago

    This conflict will never end as long as people keep listening to their imaginary friends over the reality in front of them. And each atrocity on both sides simply guarantees the fighting will last for ages longer.

    oh’s no’s someone’s invisible friend told them to downvote these heresies lol

    • Grail (capitalised)@aussie.zoneEnglish
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      15 days ago

      The belief in an objective reality is precisely what motivated the crusades, the nakba, and most other genocides. They believed in reality, and they believed their experience of the divine was objectively true for all others. Thus, that their actions were justified.

      Peace will only happen when we admit that our perceptions aren’t objective. The gods who talk to us in our sleep exist because we believe in them, not because of an external reality. There’s no such thing, and admitting subjectivity is the only way to accept differences and make peace.

      • Machinist@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        15 days ago

        Now, that’s a different angle on viewing these things. Or at least I’ve never heard it phrased that way. Interesting. Thanks for the insight!

        • Grail (capitalised)@aussie.zoneEnglish
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          15 days ago

          You’re welcome. I’m an anarcho-antirealist. You can read our manifesto at http://soulism.net/.

          I firmly believe that reality is the “final boss” of leftism, and that no socialist movement will see long term success while we believe in reality. We live in a subjective world created by capitalist media, and we must seize the means of Creation - the social process of deciding what is true about our world. Whether it be interpreted as propaganda, spirituality, science, or law.

          When we admit that the world is not objective, we take away the ability for leaders to control us with Creation. We weaken hierarchical religious structures, and strengthen collaborative systems like science.

          • Machinist@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            15 days ago

            I get ERR_CONNECTION_RESET when I try to look at the site.

            I don’t know that I completely agree. Science suggests that there is an objective reality, it is our percepttion that is not objective.

            Perception is reality, Plato’s Cave and all that.

            Humans are mostly driven by emotion and using logic to make decisions, even only at the personal level, is difficult and rare. Leaders, political and religious, use that emotional thinking to consistently short circuit logic and rationality. They drive emotional thinking in whichever direction to achieve their goals, usually at the expense of the people.

            Personally, I’ve had ‘good’ results over the last few years deliberately divorcing emotion from the decision process and just looking at the facts as best I am able to understand. Watching everyone around us going nuts: friends and family into Qanon and MAGAtry, vaccine denial, etc. It’s been painfully educational.

            Best I can tell, most people are functionally illiterate and irrational. (Illiterate may not be the correct word, un-critical maybe?)

            I now think that most people of the left are the same, maybe a little better. Tankies here on Lemmy are a great example, they’re so emotional that their brains have fallen out. I fall firmly on the left even if I think that most of us aren’t really thinking and are actually working off what feels correct.

            So, while I do think there is objective reality, I don’t think most people are even trying to work off it. I’m not sure that we can. So, functionally, reality is pretty subjective.

            I do know that, personally, I’m driven to try and gain as accurate a worldview as possible given the facts and science available to me.

            I have almost no mysticism left in me. I do feel awe at the natural world, the cosmos, my love for my people. I’m comfortable allowing that feeling guide some of my decisions. I don’t think much personal harm will come from a deep respect of nature, for instance.

            After losing my religion, I have defined my life’s purpose as taking care of my people. It’s arbitrary and emotional, but it brings me comfort.

            • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
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              15 days ago

              You sound very arrogant, quick to call others irrational and driven by emotion while having exactly zero self awareness and doing exactly zero self analysis.

              You don’t actually have any interest in rationality or objectively, that would require you to confront your own biased and understand the reasoning of people you disagree with, you just use the mantra to license yourself to asset that the things you already emotionally believed are true and those that disagree can be dismissed and ignored.

              You realized people have subjective perspectives and used that to go “wow, everyone who disagrees with me is insane and emotional! Their brains have fallen out!”

              You are the very person you’re so condescendingly railing against, mate. Get the fucking log out of your eye and learn some humility.