Call it by what it is:
Alligator Auschwitz
Whoa, I hope that catches on. Fr, that’s spot on.
It’s definitely catching on.
Oh, you mean the name, not the idea. Thing is, people who are still okay with all this will embrace such a name, they don’t have any compassion to care, ridicule or not.
Yet Trump et al are pushing “Alligator Alcatraz”. Auschwitz is clearly off-putting enough to some significant portion of their base for them to not embrace it.
Alligator
is this a reference to lizard people?
It’s in Florida where there are a ton of alligators, essentially the ‘Gator State’
denial is a powerful weapon. along with propaganda, gaslighting, state controlled media, money-- all things deployed to make the average, normally decent human being witness the atrocities going on around them and say “i mean, this is america. we wouldn’t allow masked men to kidnap people for no reason” as they watch their literal american citizen neighbor getting kidnapped, imprisoned, deported. murdered. for no reason
File that along with Hillary Clinton in the debate telling us exactly what Trump would do. People called her a liar then too.
watching this happening in real time makes me wonder if the only reson germany lost was bc they started a war. bc rn it seems like we r doing what germany did but havent started a world war yet which will be interesting bc wed prob end up like russia, china, and NK etc. everyone know there are concentratiosn camps and human right violations but nobody would do anything bc there isnt a valid reason too yet bc if anyobe does anything, itll be taken as a sign of aggression and possibly war
That most likely is the case.
But an areal picture of a bunch of cheap houses in a row isn’t that good of an argument.
Also, the Holocaust was more about the gas chambers than the locking up.
Gas chambers were first trialled in October 1939 and went into regular use in early 1940.
Hitler came to power in January 1933. So it took 6 years and 8 months (or 80 months in total) to get from getting to power to gassing people.
Hitler only started mass deportations in October 1938, so 5 years and 8 months (or 68 months) after he got to power.
Trump has been in power for less than 6 months now.
Ok but there isn’t really a totally perfect correspondence. Arguably Trump hasn’t even started “mass deportations”, just extremely brutal ones. They aren’t actually managing to deport people faster than the previous administration right now, and Obama still holds the record by far. Anyway the important thing is it’s not a one-to-one “they are deporting people so we are 80% of the way from them seizing power to death camps”.
Of course it’s not a 1:1. It’s a counter to people thinking that the holocaust started five minutes after Hitler was in office.
Things take time, even horribly atrocities.
And saying “So far people haven’t been gassed, so it’s not an issue and the comparison to Hitler is invalid” doesn’t really make much sense if you take into consideration how long it took for the Nazis to get to the point of Holocaust and WW2.
No, you can compare it to Hitler.
But keep to the facts and don’t use a slippery slope fallacy.
“It will be as bad as the Holocaust” is still different from “It is as bad as the Holocaust”. One of them can be prevented.
No need to go with “slippery slope”, instead go with “believe that Trump says the truth when he talks about what he wants”.
It’s easy to assume that Trump always lies, considering how freely he lies about everything.
But he said he would disable the courts and he did. He said he would deport people with no regard to their legal status and he did. He said he would not follow due process and he did.
He lies to defame and to get his way, he does not lie about what he wants to do.
Believe him when he says that there will be no more election. Believe him when he says he will go for a third term, and certainly believe him when he says he wants to be a dictator. Believe him when he says that removing immigrants from the US will be a bloody story.
Depending on your perspective, either the Americans half-assed their camps, or the Germans overbuilt theirs.
Everything is a grift with them, even genocide. They are probably embezzling most of the funds.
Yea probably this. Nazi Germany was in a sick way proud of their very efficient and stylish dictatorship. Trump’s just here for the show, he wants minimal costs and maximum profit for the billionaires. There isn’t even any nationalism here it’s just a facade, this is about billionaires tramping (or trumping) over the rest to see how far they can push their oligarchy.
The Germans built death camps.
Trump is building cruelty centres. You don’t need much to starve and degrade people. Just cages, bright lights turned on 24/7, and a lack of food and fresh water.
I’m sure these will be upgraded to death camps, but for now they just want to see brown people suffer. Once they get tired of that, they’ll start the killing.
Something I’ve noticed is that the Trump regime is doing fascism with absolutely no style. The Nazis were awful, but they looked good being awful, literally, as in they had Hugo Boss doing their fashion and Volkswagens to drive around in. Trump just has the cheapest stuff that still works, tents for the camps and generic military gear for the secret police. I think it says a lot about the nature of the Trump regime.
Apparently even things that start out shitty are susceptible to enshittification
In 1933 the first concentration camps also had massive improvised parts. It took about a year for them to be run fully professional. Conditions also became worse over time, with the start of WW2 being a huge step. That was also the start of the extermination camps, which were meant for genocide. Concentration camps were “just” really horrible prisons, which also had criminal and political prisoners, which were actually partly released.
This is just early concentration camp. Good chance it gets worse.
Anyone who believes this can be stopped through any means other than revolt is either a fool or a liar. Take up arms, organize with your community, and fight back.
i see this posted a lot. so why don’t you go do it yourself? i know why: because you KNOW that taking up arms and attacking ICE will make Trump send his army at you to kill you, and all this will accomplish is make you a martyr they can use in propaganda OR ignite a full on civil war. i am tired of seeing this post. stop encouraging people to do things that YOU YOURSELF find unreasonable to do. and if you find it reasonable, than put up and shut up and stop fucking posting about it to look cool. we’ll see you on the news.
ignite a full on civil war
It’s already a civil war.
Don’t mistake me I basically agree with everything your saying, but make no mistake we are Germany in the '30s, whatever you are doing is what you would have done then.
We’re all on the internet talking tough about it while the camps are being built…
I agree! The 2nd amendment isn’t for the right or left. It is for EVERYONE, some people just chose to ignore it because they could. It’s easy to make fun of open carry gun nuts and paranoid preppers, but you know maybe a government that is unwilling/unable to help you isn’t so far fetched after all
Anyone can buy similar stuff, train at a range every month or so to get proficient (dry fire is fine too if you don’t have a range), read a few military manuals your tax money paid for. Being a responsible gun owner may sound daunting but it’s not.
Then work on physical fitness a bit, enough to take a 5+ mile hike without dying. Learn some first aid too because everyone should be able to deal with a gunshot wound anyway.
In the end you can’t assume that your political opponents to take risks for you
How do you know people posting that aren’t doing it? It already is ignited, it’s at a low burn, only because people aren’t fighting back en masse yet, but in some places there is resistance going on. I agree though, “don’t speak about it, be about it”.
America started down this path all the way back in 9/12/2001. We didn’t hold Bush accountable, Obama, Trump, or Biden. Now the lunatic is using the tools provided to him.
Honestly, it started sooner I think, or more to the point, it’s had this sort of tendency lurking in the background for it’s whole history to lesser and greater extents, the last few decades until the current one just being something of a lower period that makes this stand out by contrast.
After all, these aren’t exactly the first concentration camps built in or by the United States, the country has a history with forced labor and institutionalized racial supremacy so severe that the country literally split itself apart over it at one point, and it’s founding and expansion to it’s current borders involved the genocide of those already living on the land in question.
The silver lining to all this I guess, if you can call it that, is that this history and the fact we even had something of a relative lul in all this, implies that as bleak as things look, the racism, nativism, and disenfranchisement can be squashed down again, because it’s been done here before.
I find it really annoying how Americans are so ignorant of history that they literally cannot make any historical comparisons outside of Nazi Germany. This is the only historical point of reference in American discourse. All historical comparisons default back to it because Americans don’t know anything else, not even their own history… like the Japanese Interment camps. Recorded human history is around 10,000 years old and it has everything, but somehow people in this country think there are no historical events or time periods to draw parallels from outside of what happened in central Europe during Hitler’s reign.
I find it really annoying how Americans are so ignorant of history that they literally cannot make any historical comparisons outside of Nazi Germany.
To be fair, all we should need to say is “It’s kind of fucked up to do <fucked up thing being done>” and people should agree and it should stop. Instead, so much of the media and so many propagandized conservatives are just denying it all and making up excuses. Historically, Nazi’s have been universally seen as unequivocally evil so it’s the only comparison that we think might get through.
Now though… Musk can fucking salute Hitler twice in a row at the presidential inauguration and calling it out is contentious. We’re frankly out of ideas.
ignorant, is understatement, i think some areas arnt even teaching history from ww2 and on
Unfortunately, the history taught here (at least where I grew up, but I believe it is like this in most parts of the country) is so US-centric and pre-WWII topical that we didn’t learn anything else. I don’t think I learned about the Japanese internment camps until law school and I was in “advanced classes” throughout my pre-university years.
Of course people would educate themselves outside of class, but there’s a variety of reasons that doesn’t really happen. It’s quite sad and unfortunate we don’t learn about the other atrocities (even those directly caused by the US). I wish it were different.
Slightly off-topic, but we’re not even taught the realities of our own history that we’re supposedly taught about. Example: the civil war. If you ask many people in certain southern states (and surely some more northern ones too), the reasons they give for the war do not match reality. Or at least they do not come close to telling the whole story. The stranglehold on our education system is bonkers
what’s annoying is reading on bsky or mastodon or other places with Americans going “it’s happening” or “soon this will be normal” etc it’s like no bro, it isn’t happening and it isn’t soon, it’s now. It’s already happened. you’re living in it. you’re a nazi nation. you aren’t becoming nazi Germany, you currently are nazi Germany.
you’re at the end of that poem. your government is now openly saying they’re going to arrest politicians and citizens that don’t agree with them. your government is taking away birthright citizenship and very soon they’ll go after naturalized citizens and then just straight up regular citizens.
if you’re not a white, “straight”, christian, male earning over $500mil a year you’re fucked. they WILL come for you. They’ve already laid out the protections for the group previously mentioned. You’ve lost your country and no amount of peaceful protesting is going to return it to you. There’s literally one course of action left but I believe the average American is either too afraid or unwilling to commit to it.
154 million people voted in 2024. That’s a hair over 65% of the voting agreed population. Over half of those people supported this shit stain, and even if they disagree with him on some things now, most will still support and defend him.
My personal objections to participating in a armed resistance aside. No one is looking to organize an armed resistance as far as I’m aware and the concept of organizing such a resistance seems nearly impossible for many reasons.
I’ve seen a few reports of protesters making things more difficult for ICE, but that’s about the most resistance I’ve seen. I’m starting to see why reasonable Germans didn’t rise up, it’s not that they agreed or didn’t want to, it’s difficult to organize a resistance. There needs to be a clear leader, good communication channels, a way to vet those who join, and anything else a military operation needs. And even then, you’d be going up against over half the population and the armed forces. And it would be giving a reason for them to use full military force against the citizens.
There is no good end to this, there is no way to stop this from continuing. I think a lot of people are counting on midterms to bring a peaceful end to this nightmare, I doubt we will have that chance and even if we do, the outcome will not be enough to swing the power.
We’re fucked.
Oh you see now how impossible it really is to fight back once it’s in swing? You either need outside assistance from a hostile country, or you will be dying basically out of spite, accomplishing nearly nothing.
You need something more, something smarter.
Less than half of voters voted for this admin. He only won a plurality.
