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I will go back to running a fucking 386 before I rent cloud space from the beez
you’ll give up your PC to rent one from the cloud
He can hope a lot of things, but Stadia sure didn’t take.
I had a friend who was a true believer in Stadia, he even sold his gaming PC as he was gaming in Stadia full time.
When Stadia shut down he told me “at least I get to keep the controller”
Stadia was great for what it was. As a hardcore PC gamer who went more casual it was the answer to my gaming needs. Being able to play anywhere on any device was amazing.
They refunded all my purchases and I got to keep a bunch of free hardware I had gotten with Stadia bundles.
Yeah I loved stadia. I built a proxmox VM with sunshine to get my fix back
I don’t think Stadia’s problem was the technology, though. It actually worked pretty well if you had a decent internet connection.
The issue, imo, was that nobody trusted in the longevity of the platform. Given Google’s track record, why would anyone want to buy in to something that would likely only last a few years? I know they ended up refunding people, but it’s not like they do that with every prodict they’ve cancelled.
why would anyone want to buy in to something that would likely only last a few years?
I ask people this every time they put time and money into a new live service game. I was referred to this community when I went down a self-hosted VPN rabbit hole for old LAN games whose multiplayer will never die.
Yeah that’s the thing, it’s especially hard to trust a newer service without any track record of longevity or a company with a proven track record of poor support. Even then, everything dies eventually. Companies will shut down servers due to funding/popularity issues (it doesn’t make sense to continue spending money and dev time on a game nobody is playing anymore) or to funnel players into a newer game. It would be great to see more live service or otherwise online games (e.g. MMOs) that are self-hostable.
If they’re self-hostable, they cease to be live services. And I’m just fine with that. I have no problem completely ignoring live services as a customer, but the problem I do have is how much research it takes to find out if a game I’m interested in is built to last or otherwise respects my values. Every Borderlands game has LAN multiplayer except for the GOTY edition of the first game, and even then, you can still acquire the regular edition of that game that still has it. Meanwhile, Hitman, a single player game, locks a lot of its best stuff behind an arbitrary server connection; the community has made pirate server executables to replace it, but it doesn’t mean that I want to reward IO Interactive with my dollars for that design decision.
I had a good connection back then (FTTH 100mbit, <5ms latency) and it worked like shit. There are WAY too many variables that can screw up this cloud gaming stuff, the whole concept is messed up.
This is the way with a lot of tech. Someone comes up with an ides, tries to build it and make it successful. When the money starts getting tight, they sell it to a larger company. Usually by the third round, it becomes successful.
Technofeudalism. Great book by Yanis Varoufakis. He called it and it’s actually happening.
I still think it’s funny that he went from working at Valve as their Economist in residence studying digital markets to being the finance minister of Greece. I think the Valve job was more prestigious, especially since the rest of the EU was committed to fucking over Greece at the time.
Varoufakis explaining how Eurobonds and IMF were fucking over every European taxpayer in order to bail out banks that made risky bets with Greece was quite based.
I just wish he’d stick to economics, his geopolitics takes are quite bad
Yeah, nope. No matter what OS, no matter what specs, I’m going to keep my PC.
I’ll always be able to play Balatro, Factorio, and he’ll, I’d go to text based MUDs first.
Way more even. Just look at emulation on Android, you can play good damn Sekiro on it by now.
Even if they manage to take away our desktops, Smartphones become beautifully powerful and can be docked to TVs and all via USB-C easily.
We need to get MUDs more popular again. But that would require getting Telnet popular again.
But why? You don’t need telnet to transfer text.
Because a MUD that isn’t part of a BBS feels wrong to me.
Can you fill me in on what that means? Searching for mud doesn’t give me useful results.
People were playing text-based multiplayer, effectively mmos with PvP well before Tim-Berners Lee invented the Web Browser.
http://mud.arctic.org/ this one is still around.
It means Multi User Dungeon. It’s a networked multiplayer game, usually focused on dungeon-crawling as the name suggests. Early ones were based heavily on BD&D and AD&D, but others got more creative.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-user_dungeon
For a list of still-active MUDs:
I worked in a Citrix environment for long enough to know this is just stupid.
I worked for a company that did this, thousands of users on Citrix.
Management didn’t believe us when we told them how slow it was, especially for data analysis, which was literally the job for many of us. It turned out management above a certain level were on a separate Citrix server, with relatively few users, and they weren’t doing heavy duty analyses like we were, so they had no issues at all. Middle management and below were on servers with too many users.
After a few years, they went back to “thick” clients. Laptops, finally. The virtual desktop setup was still available when I left, for a few specific things, but in general everyone used a laptop.
Little Lex Luthor should climb into one of his dick rockets and aim for Venus.
I’d rather have no PC than a cloud PC.
And I’m a computer scientist, so that’s saying something ! I’d sooner switch careers to lumberjack (lumberjane ? What’s the feminine ?) than have to work on that feudal nonsense.
I’ve seen the term “lumberjill” (because Jack and Jill, I guess), but don’t know if it’s common or even in use.
lumberjoline?
LumberJackie
I’d not rather have no PC.
I’ll just keep my existing PC(s).
Also I guess it’d Lumberjacky/Lumberjacqueline
The people who would be okay with this already don’t own computers, they go with a phone.
Fuck you, Jeff !
I’ll make my own cloud, with blackjack and hookers and tarpits to poison your AI scrappers !
And get to it how? Through a PC?
Shitty ass thin client running cheap hw that can’t do anything, a.k.a. Chromebook.
Yes, Microsoft is already selling these
I’d love to install Linux on that
I’d give up computing altogether, or even commit suicide if living mainly means being subservient to these soulless parasites.
Live on. We need manpower to fight the upcoming fight. Every person counts.
Don’t die for nothing. Die for something.
Or better yet, don’t die. Better the oligarchs die for you, than the other way around. Get movin’1
My real PC hope is to fashion the case into a French style billionaire solver
It doesn’t take 3nm/2nm chips to make a great computer. The Switch 2 is has a Samsung 8nm SoC. Steam Deck is TSMC 7nm. A Steam Deck has a better processor than my Intel N150 NAS. We don’t need the strongest hardware for self hosting. Don’t need it for a good gaming experience. Someday we’ll get second hand server parts salvaged into home equipment. The PS5 had that jailbreak. That can someday be a useful Linux machine. Someday the Xbox Series. Someday there’ll be a wave of RISC-V SBC’s that are better than the most recent raspberry pi
youll have to pry my 4 thinkpads from my cold dead hands you slimy sack of shit
I think that the problem will be if software comes out that’s doesn’t target home PCs. That’s not impossible. I mean, that happens today with Web services. Closed-weight AI models aren’t going to be released to run on your home computer. I don’t use Office 365, but I understand that at least some of that is a cloud service.
Like, say the developer of Video Game X says “I don’t want to target a ton of different pieces of hardware. I want to tune for a single one. I don’t want to target multiple OSes. I’m tired of people pirating my software. I can reduce cheating. I’m just going to release for a single cloud platform.”
Nobody is going to take your hardware away. And you can probably keep running Linux or whatever. But…not all the new software you want to use may be something that you can run locally, if it isn’t released for your platform. Maybe you’ll use some kind of thin-client software — think telnet, ssh, RDP, VNC, etc for past iterations of this — to use that software remotely on your Thinkpad. But…can’t run it yourself.
If it happens, I think that that’s what you’d see. More and more software would just be available only to run remotely. Phones and PCs would still exist, but they’d increasingly run a thin client, not run software locally. Same way a lot of software migrated to web services that we use with a Web browser, but with a protocol and software more aimed at low-latency, high-bandwidth use. Nobody would ban existing local software, but a lot of it would stagnate. A lot of new and exciting stuff would only be available as an online service. More and more people would buy computers that are only really suitable for use as a thin client — fewer resources, closer to a smartphone than what we conventionally think of as a computer.
EDIT: I’d add that this is basically the scenario that the AGPL is aimed at dealing with. The concern was that people would just run open-source software as a service. They could build on that base, make their own improvements. They’d never release binaries to end users, so they wouldn’t hit the traditional GPL’s obligation to release source to anyone who gets the binary. The AGPL requires source distribution to people who even just use the software.
i will simply not use new software for my personal cases then, if it comes down to it ill make my own. im a simple girl, ill manage my media and play my 20 year old games till i die
