because advertisment companies pay content creators either directly or indirectly, and many people stick around platforms to watch their favourite content creators. being funny online has become a day job for many, and with the job market being the way it is being an “influencer”, even if a niche one, pays better than a “real” job.
i’m not trying to excuse anyone here, it just is the way it is. do i like it? not really. but i also wouldn’t want people who make a living working as “online funny person/influencer” to suddenly lose their income. if we got rid of ad companies a lot of things would have to change at the same time for nobody to get hurt in the process.
when i stop being broke i’m going to sign up for nebula, that place seems to be trying to change things for the better in this regard
Aw man nebula is great. I totally recommend it to anyone with the extra disposable income. I got into it because Dr. Simon Clark (climate scientist YouTuber) had a discount link on one of his videos and it turned out that a bunch of other creators I like are on it, like HelloFutureMe and NotJustBikes. The only thing I feel like it’s missing is comments on videos, but I get that moderating that would be a lot, and while I like to know what other people think, I’m willing to sacrifice that for an overall better experience
I think the point of the post is that the solution being used to this problem creates other issues. If you instead spoke freely and beeped yourself, people would get what you are saying and the censorship would be more in your face.
yt barely pays enough for most content creators, they have brand deals and promotions, and people like trahearn or beast has some shitty food in thier name, or rely on patreon. youtube also makes the worst out of the content creators, some turn into pos over time.
Video platform like youtube. However it’s paid only no free version. It has no adds and payment is based on a percentage of what money brought in and what percentage of viewtime you had that month.
To be clear, because the above comment was a little vague. You pay a fixed fee, like on Netflix or similar. I think it’s $30 per year? I forget because they grandfather you into your old price any time they raise the cost.
Then they distribute the funds to the creators based partly on viewtime. (Roughly speaking: one share goes to the platform—some of which goes back to creators in the form of funding for Nebula Originals—one share goes to the creator whose signup link you signed up with, and one share goes to multiple creators based on watchtime. I’m not sure if those shares are equal.) It’s sort of a creator-owned co-op type structure.
Most of the stuff on there is also available on YouTube, with the Nebula version just being ad-free and sometimes uploaded a day or a week earlier. Then some stuff has little extra bonus content on Nebula. And then there are Nebula-funded Originals, most of which are exclusively on Nebula, but some of which are shared to YouTube for marketing purposes. You can explore what content is available on the platform without having to sign up, at nebula.tv, to get a sense for it.
There’s !nebula@lemmy.world if you’re interested in more. Not that that’s super active.
it’s like youtube but better imo, there is a subscription fee to access it but for the right reason - all content creators that make videos there share ownership of the whole platform, and that allows them to make what they want to make instead of bowing to algorithms or ad companies. they can even say bad words and talk about non-family-friendly topics, i know, woah, right? :') i think it’s a very neat thing, the subscription price is pretty low too, especially if you join through a referral link (Philosophy Tube always has one in her descriptions if i’m not mistaken), but still, am broke, so waiting until i’m not broke to sign up
do you remember, when advertisement was OK? i used YT for a long time without adblocker. there where funny animations on the side of the video, a mildly annoying bar at the bottom with an easily clickable close button. Youtubers where funny, edgy and talked the way they wanted.
i think advertisement that way is OK: sometimes slightly annoying but it paid for the Youtubers and the platform, while not influencing the content.
To be fair, when it comes to youtube the engagement on alternatives doesn’t exactly seem very robust. Somebody linked a peertube the other day saying it was a great one with a lot of content, and the vast majority of videos I saw on the front page had 0 views, with a handful having views in the single digits. That’s not really a viable alternative for a site with hundreds of millions of potential viewers.
The problem is: people want alternative, but they don’t want to pay for it. See the hatred for paywalls and love for ‘piracy’ here, on Lemmy.
People won’t pay directly, so advertisements will stay.
I mean, I pay for Nebula but honestly I don’t even use it most of the time. The content is pretty limited, even if I do like a lot of it. I still end up on Youtube instead, just because that’s where everyone posts.
There probably is some sort of middle-ground to be found. Maybe a niche website that takes certain kind of content and an audience specifically geared toward it, or one that’s more community-oriented and takes steps to weed out the huge amount of AI content that’s on Youtube at this point. I haven’t really seen that actually work, yet, though. Maybe something like a Nebula or a Dropout but with better access for the average user who wants to post their own content would be a decent solution.
If only there were social media platforms which aren’t controlled by advertisement revenue.
I sometimes find it really hard to understand why people keep subjecting themselves to these kind of things.
because advertisment companies pay content creators either directly or indirectly, and many people stick around platforms to watch their favourite content creators. being funny online has become a day job for many, and with the job market being the way it is being an “influencer”, even if a niche one, pays better than a “real” job.
i’m not trying to excuse anyone here, it just is the way it is. do i like it? not really. but i also wouldn’t want people who make a living working as “online funny person/influencer” to suddenly lose their income. if we got rid of ad companies a lot of things would have to change at the same time for nobody to get hurt in the process.
when i stop being broke i’m going to sign up for nebula, that place seems to be trying to change things for the better in this regard
Aw man nebula is great. I totally recommend it to anyone with the extra disposable income. I got into it because Dr. Simon Clark (climate scientist YouTuber) had a discount link on one of his videos and it turned out that a bunch of other creators I like are on it, like HelloFutureMe and NotJustBikes. The only thing I feel like it’s missing is comments on videos, but I get that moderating that would be a lot, and while I like to know what other people think, I’m willing to sacrifice that for an overall better experience
I think the point of the post is that the solution being used to this problem creates other issues. If you instead spoke freely and beeped yourself, people would get what you are saying and the censorship would be more in your face.
yt barely pays enough for most content creators, they have brand deals and promotions, and people like trahearn or beast has some shitty food in thier name, or rely on patreon. youtube also makes the worst out of the content creators, some turn into pos over time.
What is nebula?
Video platform like youtube. However it’s paid only no free version. It has no adds and payment is based on a percentage of what money brought in and what percentage of viewtime you had that month.
Thanks!
To be clear, because the above comment was a little vague. You pay a fixed fee, like on Netflix or similar. I think it’s $30 per year? I forget because they grandfather you into your old price any time they raise the cost.
Then they distribute the funds to the creators based partly on viewtime. (Roughly speaking: one share goes to the platform—some of which goes back to creators in the form of funding for Nebula Originals—one share goes to the creator whose signup link you signed up with, and one share goes to multiple creators based on watchtime. I’m not sure if those shares are equal.) It’s sort of a creator-owned co-op type structure.
Most of the stuff on there is also available on YouTube, with the Nebula version just being ad-free and sometimes uploaded a day or a week earlier. Then some stuff has little extra bonus content on Nebula. And then there are Nebula-funded Originals, most of which are exclusively on Nebula, but some of which are shared to YouTube for marketing purposes. You can explore what content is available on the platform without having to sign up, at nebula.tv, to get a sense for it.
There’s !nebula@lemmy.world if you’re interested in more. Not that that’s super active.
This is very helpful, thanks!
it’s like youtube but better imo, there is a subscription fee to access it but for the right reason - all content creators that make videos there share ownership of the whole platform, and that allows them to make what they want to make instead of bowing to algorithms or ad companies. they can even say bad words and talk about non-family-friendly topics, i know, woah, right? :') i think it’s a very neat thing, the subscription price is pretty low too, especially if you join through a referral link (Philosophy Tube always has one in her descriptions if i’m not mistaken), but still, am broke, so waiting until i’m not broke to sign up
Thanks!
do you remember, when advertisement was OK? i used YT for a long time without adblocker. there where funny animations on the side of the video, a mildly annoying bar at the bottom with an easily clickable close button. Youtubers where funny, edgy and talked the way they wanted.
i think advertisement that way is OK: sometimes slightly annoying but it paid for the Youtubers and the platform, while not influencing the content.
People do this shit on Lemmy too where there is no reason to.
In fairness, that’s mostly through memes that have been nicked from other,more ad-laden sites.
I’ve seen it on text posts and comments
I habitually downvote all unnecessary censorship here
Death, death, to the IDF!
To be fair, when it comes to youtube the engagement on alternatives doesn’t exactly seem very robust. Somebody linked a peertube the other day saying it was a great one with a lot of content, and the vast majority of videos I saw on the front page had 0 views, with a handful having views in the single digits. That’s not really a viable alternative for a site with hundreds of millions of potential viewers.
The problem is: people want alternative, but they don’t want to pay for it. See the hatred for paywalls and love for ‘piracy’ here, on Lemmy. People won’t pay directly, so advertisements will stay.
I hate this model.
I mean, I pay for Nebula but honestly I don’t even use it most of the time. The content is pretty limited, even if I do like a lot of it. I still end up on Youtube instead, just because that’s where everyone posts.
There probably is some sort of middle-ground to be found. Maybe a niche website that takes certain kind of content and an audience specifically geared toward it, or one that’s more community-oriented and takes steps to weed out the huge amount of AI content that’s on Youtube at this point. I haven’t really seen that actually work, yet, though. Maybe something like a Nebula or a Dropout but with better access for the average user who wants to post their own content would be a decent solution.
I haven’t really seen Peertube do that, though.