Yes, these vegans are as irrational as people who refuse to eat human meat. “Ethical implications”, or whatever irrational thing they say.

I just need one reason to do something: it feels good, that’s how you know you’re being rational.

Things already go flying when I stir-fry, so it’s just part of the method!

On giving guesses: you could just give the strategy you think will be the most effective in helping and then pair the strategy with motivations if you think it’s still necessary. That way you can really help OP be the most effective. If you don’t do that, just sounds like you wanna critique and whine about OP’s motivations.

On the motivations behind the same actions having different consequences: you are correct, it really sounds like you’ve avoided the question. When people have read and understood books, they usually are able to bring the argument in themselves.

Here I’ll give you a simple counter-example of the exact same act with two different motivators and the same consequence:

Person A wants to help and asks person B in some specific way: “Do you wanna learn how to read?” The result is: Person B answers yes.

Person A wants to look good and asks person B in the same specific way: “Do you wanna learn how to read?”. The result is: Person B answers yes.

Even if the motivation behind the same exact act would change the consequences, you’d have to demonstrate that’s true instead of vaguely pointing at literature.

Just use your interpretation of best when you said “better” advice in your original comment. Seems like the metric towards “best” is “more likely to actually help”.

Also, you can give a few example of motivations that would end up with the strategies most likely to actually work. Maybe OP didn’t think of these motivations themselves, but they would adopt when you state them out loud for us.

But coming back to my main point, I still don’t see how the motivation could dictate strategies most likely to help.

Even with the “worst” motivation, why couldn’t OP apply the “best” strategy towards helping?

because that informs strategies for helping

I asked how so

Agreed, also recommend doing this completely in private so they don’t feel like there may be other people listening to your offer.

Why are you questioning the motivation behind someone trying to do a selfless act? An act that could even be described as altruistic. How does knowing OP’s motivation helps you and OP convince their relative?

I’m just asking questions so I can help you help OP.

The crunchiness of nuts or sesame seeds are awesome

Prepare:

• Cube the tofu (400g) and toss into an air fryer for about 10 minutes (alternatively, you can cover each cube individially in starch. I use the air fryer to dry the tofu pieces because it’s lazyer lol)
• Chop broccoli (250g), 1 whole onion, 2 cloves of garlic, ginger (about the same amount of garlic) and whatever else you wanna add (bell pepper, hot peppers are great additions)
• Mix about 2 Tbsp starch with about 3/4 cup of water

Cook:

• Heat your wok, add oil
• Add the tofu, stir-fry for about 1 minute
• Add the broccoli, ginger and garlic, stir-fry for about 1 minute
• Add the onions, optional peppers, stir-fry for about 1 minute
• Splash everything with soy sauce (maybe about 3-5Tbsp, enough to salt the ingredients) while stir-frying
• Add your starch slurry and mix slowly, adding more slurry if too thin, more water if too thick
• Turn burner off, add MSG

Plating:

• Mix toasted nuts (or sesame seeds) to the portion you’re gonna plate right before serving (nobody wants soggy nuts), garnish with spring onions

To expand a bit on stubbornness: as I’ve said in another comment, invest your time on people who agree with the basic idea of your position but disagree with the conclusion.

When you go talk to those people, avoid telling your opinion. Use the Socratic method to make them walk step by step towards the conclusion (see this video, pay attention to how he poses open ended questions). This way, it’s the interlocutor arriving at their own conclusion instead of you pushing your ideas on them.

Keep in mind that whenever you start debating, you’ve lost the opportunity to make them see what you see. Debates are only useful if the target of your activism is someone listening to the debate.

There are some people that low hanging fruits and are much more prone to change. These will be the ones who already agree with some basic aspect of the view your trying to show them. For example, say you’re trying to show people veganism is the way to go. Then you try to outreach people who agree with the pillar of the idea: needlessly exploiting animals is wrong. If the person disagrees with the cornerstone of the idea you’re trying to instill, is worthless to continue the conversation. There will be plenty more agreeable people.

Investing your time on these targets will make much easier to change the Overton window and from there, with enough activists, some sort of snowball effect should start occurring. Like the civil rights movement or the suffragists in the US.

Watch this 3 minute video to understand what the animals go through.

After witnessing what happens to them, genuinely ask yourself: “is it harder for me to avoid dairy or for these animals to be exploited to death on my name”?

Once you understand “why” go vegan, the “how” becomes super easy.

It’s a biga recipe, like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x70rHmbin0g

This channel is pretty good with tips and tricks to perfect your pizza, most of what I’ve learned is from him. Although his toppings aren’t usually vegan, his dough usually is. An oven that reaches 400c is really key to get a crunchy crust with soft interior.

People feel they are ‘doing enough already’, which I really don’t get. If you changed yourself after leaning that these animals have to die for you, why not change again?

Everybody knows that animal feed comes from magical farms that never exploit humans.

Come on you vegan dummy, go get your B12 supplement. >!/s!<

So funny how when ‘vegan’ is mentioned, everybody is a homesteader.

I’ll just summarize your points:

• There’s a way to get cheap and ethically sourced plants when they’re destined for animals
• There’s no way to get cheap and ethically sourced plants when they’re destined for humans

You’re missing that humans are also animals and we eat some of the same crops non-human animals eat. The human exploitation you’re arguing against doesn’t magically disappear from crops grown for animals.

Until now you were arguing that buying plants would incur in human exploitation. But now that I’ve argued for the least exploitative scenario, you came up with ‘responsibly sourced plant options at a reasonable price’.

So now we can get plants without exploiting immigrants, right?

Then there’s no need to exploit animals, simple as that

Why not compare to home crops, then? If the person has resources to produce the animal feed (so they can ensure there are no humans being exploited, right?), they surely can grow crops to directly eat.

You say that as if migrant workers aren’t exploited to make animal products.

When you buy a meal, you have 2 options: contribute to animal exploitation (that probably contains human exploitation) or not.

If you know which companies exploit humans, it’s on you to denounce them publicly and not support them.

Until you can name these companies so you know what to avoid, you can be sure that any animal product you get is the result of animal exploitation (and probably human as well).