This is a surprising development. The usual path for being pushed out of RB is to be name the 2nd seat driver for the team before being sacked.
Red Bull gives you wings, right out the door…
According to a quote from Sky Sports, Horner is still employed by Red Bull, I guess he’s been put on gardening leave?
Yesterday, I was informed by Red Bull that operationally I would no longer be involved with the business or the team moving forward.
I will still remain employed by the company, but, operationally the baton will be handed over.
I think there are only two possibilities:
- he lost Max
- they did this to keep Max
Either way, this increases the chances that Max is going to Mercedes
Or the relationship between Helmut Marko and him have reached the inevitable boiling point. It is either Marko out or Horner. And Max is loyal to Marko not Horner or Red Bull. If they lose Marko they will automatically lose Max as well.
Looks like speculation’s back on the menu, boys!
Due to…
- more legal challenges incoming?
- worse performance for the past year?
- an attempt to halt the brain drain from Red Bull?
- Max wanted him out, and they’re now complying what with Merc courting him so hard?
- Red Bull lost Max to Merc, and Red Bull high ups are unhappy with Horner over it?
- their engines for next season aren’t looking good?
- a combination of factors above?
Tbh I don’t think it’d be down to performance alone. Red Bull has had down periods multiple times in the past 20 years.
When they’ve been down it was before Mateschitz passed. What he said was the law and he had the people he wanted in the positions he wanted. After that there were many factions fighting and trying to make the others look bad. Cue Horniers txt messages, Max’s team threatening to leave, Marko looking like he’d be fired, and Newey leaving for money when he didn’t get his way. The smart technical folks saw the infighting and jumped ship to teams where they could step up in their career
Waiting for Red Bull to release a statement via an attachment named File-76.JPG.
Well damn, didn’t think I’d see the day especially mid season. Guessing this will be initially bad for red bull, but longer term probably the right call.
I foresee Red Bull getting worse
Watch him show up at Aston with his mate newey
Can’t really find a source anymore. But wasn’t part of the explanation for Newry leaving that he was good friends with Horner’s former assistant? Though I guess this could have been unsubstantiated rumours.
I don’t really see it. AM isn’t in a good spot and it’s very unlikely they’ll suddenly become a top team next year. Newey can do his magic but it’s not going to fix the rest of the team.
Max isn’t going to waste his time in some midfield team, he’s going to a top team or he’s taking a sabbatical.
Supposedly Ferrari kicked the tires on Horner earlier this year. Rumors say they might let Fred go.
First guess is sexual assault allegations have been proofed?
Or that the owners are fed up with the car being bad, and scared max might leave and they would be the worst team on the grid.
Yeah the owners were happy to look past it while they were getting results
Yup, that was the final straw for me, and watching F1 in general. Its already a sport that has literally the worst people in the world involved from human rights and environmental standpoints, and then even the western part of the sport doesn’t have any integrity.
What ever happened to honorable men…
Is FIFA a joke to you? Lol
You basically say you had no problem with the nazi sadomazo orgy of Max Mosley in 2008? Bernie Ecclestone’s last wife is 46 years younger than him, he is 7th on the list of oldest fathers. Senna had a 15 years old girlfriend.
I’m saying F1 was always full of deviant assholes, it’s strange that you picked this scandal as a breaking point.
There’s been very few in F1. There has however been a long history of lying, cheating, spying, poaching, backstabbing, money laundering, insider trading, influence peddling, drug running, fake sponsors, fake princes, tobacco money, oil money, dictator money, Russian oligarch money and money that was never there in the first place and left a string of debts.
They would have probably given him a reason if he was sacked for team performance.
Fired immediately without reason given sounds like something major.
I think Red Bull knew the allegations were true all this time but now with the teams shitty performance they probably felt like it was a good time to give him the boot.
No proof has been found that he was guilty, according to the court records. So unless new proof shows up from somewhere, this most likely isn’t the case. It could be that RBR was keeping some proof away from the court case, which could be illegal, but that they now display it.
Personally, I am a bit careful with the accusations, since it wouldn’t be the first time that somebody lied to get somebody else convicted for something. Women are always believed in cases like this, even when they lie about them abusing their male partner or whatever.
Or that first set was the tip of the iceberg and they’re getting ahead of it?
Baseless speculation
What the fuck.
Exactly my reaction. I know things were a bit turbulent last year, but I wasn’t expecting this right now!
After collecting my thoughts I’m thinking this tells us Red Bull are seriously worried about Max leaving and are trying to take desperate measures. It could be related to the sexual assault allegations but the timing seems off with that and I’m pretty sure they knew they were true all along.
Yeah it’s more likely to be in relation to keeping Max. The team is toast without him, they’ll very likely be a backmarker with their current car.
If it has anything to do with sexual assault allegations it’s because they’re either worse than we thought and they’re getting ahead of it, or because they can’t spin whatever is gonna come up with it
Or they’ve already ignored it but the performance of RB has been awful
Maybe Max said “him or me”
This was rumoured/hinted at in Austria if I’m not daydreaming? Was it van Haren that tweeted it?
You wouldn’t fire a team principal effective immediately without giving a reason IMO. Maybe this is Red Bull operating differently from your regular F1 team and it’s really just because performance and Max. But to me it sounds like something bigger – either related to the allegations or Horner did something that lost him the owners trust.
Good timeline in case you need the background: https://www.independent.co.uk/f1/christian-horner-allegations-messages-red-bull-timeline-b2785446.html
Wow. I wondered if a team principal change was on the cards for the future but a mid season sacking wasn’t on my radar. Makes me wonder- is he the first domino to fall in a Red Bull Racing makeover?
Perhaps the rumors of him leading the Ferrari team is true 🤔
Bwahaha, I’d hear the wailing in Italy from here in New Zealand
When all is said and done, Christian will be managing Hamilton while Toto will be managing Verstappen 😆
