The ice cream no longer exists. It hasn’t existed for a long time, and no amount of wishing will bring it back.
I want ice cream, too. But before we can have ice cream again, we need to not die.
That’s QUITTER talk! I’m voting for Rocky Road.
So the cliff?
Brick on the pedal.
I LOVE Rocky Road
This one’s much simpler than that; one party will throw people I love into a concentration camp in the next four years, one party will not. I will vote for those who will not. The rest is just bullshit.
You sound like one of those dangerous shitlibs, not wanting people to be thrown into concentration camps. Don’t you know that the lives of the likes of you and me are acceptable sacrifices so that the wannabe revolutionaries can (checks notes) do nothing but feel really smug about how superior they are to The Establishment?
There’s a part of me that thinks these people fell for very well crafted propaganda that kept them away from the voting booth and, like Magats, they keep doubling down instead of admitting they got duped and moving on.
In a binary system where my choices are Nazis or not Nazis, anyone who comes along and tells me not voting is the best option is my fucking enemy.
They did. They were dumb enough to fall for it and now we have concentration camps.
I had people unironically tell me that Kamala Harris was no better than Hitler, and that she & Trump were the same but just did the exact same harm in “different areas,” which is why it looked like they were any different policy-wise. 💀
Yeah the genocide angle is just “both sides” with sprinkles. It’s a really effective misdirection.
Since both support Genocide I don’t think it’s fair to say it’s nazis vs non-nazis. It’s more like genocide over there vs genocide maybe here and there. That’s assuming that the Republicans will actually go full authoritarian dictatorship which isn’t necessarily going to happen. A lot of people are speculating that things will happen that didn’t last time Trump was in charge. It definitely could happen, but I don’t think it’s as likely as people are making out. Trump would have to convince all of the keys to power to abandon democracy, and that hasn’t happened yet. He is already getting push back for certain things, not to mention braking up with Elon.
Anyway I sure am glad I don’t live in the USA. Although honestly my own country is having its own issues. The supposedly left wing party seem to have decided they have the same level of support for trans people that the right wing one does, or at least their leader is willing to follow the conservatives on that issue. I almost regret voting for him now.
That’s assuming that the Republicans will actually go full authoritarian dictatorship which isn’t necessarily going to happen.
It has happened, is continuing to happen, and will get worse. ICE now has a large budget than most militaries and Trump is exploring ways to “deport” American citizens (probably to concentration camps). They’re exploring ways to essentially make migrant farm workers slaves. The supreme Court just made it harder for judges to pause executive orders. The US (of which I’m a citizen) is fucked.
That’s assuming that the Republicans will actually go full authoritarian dictatorship which isn’t necessarily going to happen.
Wtf? They already have. They’ve ballooned ICE’s budget to more than that of the marines. They want to deport 65 million latinos. That’s all the Latinos. They’ve already gone full authoritarian dictatorship while you were watching
The delusion that democrats don’t also put many people in cages is a huge part of how we got here.
Time to stop thinking this will end in 4 years with an election. American democracy died on January 20th.
You’re on a bus with 9 people. 1 guy takes up 2/3rds of the bus by himself. 3 people take up 90% of what remains, and the last 5 are stacked on top of each other on the last remaining seat.
The one guy with 2/3 of the bus says he wants to throw two of the other passengers off a cliff at random so he can have their seats. 2 of the 3 in the next segment think this is a terrible idea and say we should keep things as they are, with one voting for it because he thinks somehow everyone will benefit from the top guy having more space. The bottom segment votes 3-2 in favor of the idea, because they hate the people in the second group for taking up space they could use, and like the idea of possibly throwing them off a cliff.
This is why I voted for Kamala, as it would’ve reduced harm for a little while…Long enough to figure out an effective counter. Right now, I am using my voice as best as possible to reduce further harm (with the Big Bad Bill coming into effect soon) I dread losing my insurance and wasting away because untreated it’s a guarantee. Given that I live in a mostly Red State, I could be one of the 17 million affected, or spared because I work part-time… If there are elections in the future, I will be voting with harm reduction in mind every time. Unless America becomes a doomed Fascist Nation which devours itself from within.
Stay strong, talk to your neighbours if feasible where you live, work together locally. Every major catastrophe in my area of the world, even ones which totally upended my country (Romania) for a generation, my family survived via community and friend groups.
In a collapsed or collapsing state, mutual aid is mandatory for survival.
this sounds very utilitarian. you known who else was utilitarian? thanos!
Who let Tim Pool in here
A world with half as many people in it would be so nice. Thanos had the right idea.
Every time I see people complaining about 3rd party voters all I can picture is the “Am I so out of touch?” meme. Like, y’all already shot yourselves in the face 3 times in a row and it surprisingly didn’t fail 1/3 times, but you’ll blame literally anyone but yourselves. Run a candidate people want, run policies people want, and support that candidate and those policies instead of throwing everything you can against them because you like money, and we would not be anywhere near where we are now. People vote for trump because they don’t want another fucking “nothing will fundamentally change” politician. The country is already shit. It needs to change. But dems are happy with it how it is. They don’t care about immigrants, or poor people, or social security, or women’s rights, or whatever. They just hold onto those as carrots on a stick. They just want to keep making millions, and would rather trump win so they don’t have to actually embrace populist policy. That’s why people don’t vote. The choice isn’t ice cream or drive off a cliff. Its do we drive into a wall and die now, or drive off a cliff so it takes slightly longer to die, the drive off a cliff people shot the 2 people who asked if they could vote for ice cream and that’s why the others didn’t vote.
Run a candidate people want, run policies people want, and support that candidate and those policies instead of throwing everything you can against them because you like money
Their absolutely pathetic response to Mamdani’s victory in the primary was so flagrant, I’m not even sure how to react to the Democratic party going forward. Not only did they try to stack the deck in Cuomo’s favor, but then they threw a fucking tantrum when Cuomo still lost despite their efforts. They just don’t seem credible to me anymore.
Run a candidate people want, run policies people want, and support that candidate and those policies instead of throwing everything you can against them because you like money
Golly gee, if only there were some way that parties decided what candidates they were going to run, and what policies that candidate supported.
Unfortunately, as we all know, such decisions are made by The Secret Cabal and us lowly voters have no part in it.
Signed, someone who had a fever dream in 2016 and 2020 and remembered voting in something called a ‘primary’ for some ‘Bernie Sanders’ guy.
Sure dude, keep pretending the DNC doesn’t run anything and that they have zero influence or agenda and it’s all the perfect will of the people. You’re right, the people with billions of dollars in charge of the party are really just chill dudes who listen to what people really want.
Sorry for not thinking that every public poll was rigged by The Shadow Elite and that Bernie actually won the primaries by millions of votes which were shredded without a single hint of evidence left behind by the Puppetmasters of the DNC.
Maybe people are voting for what they want, and the issue is a lack of education…?
No, no, it must be the Shadow Cabal sabotaging all the polls. I’m SURE of it!
Pug. Long time fan here but I’m curious if you’ve read “Shattered” yet? It is a well researched book about the inner machinations of the Hillary campaign and goes into depth as to what / how things went horribly wrong. I used to think like you, but the reality is it’s a bit of column A and a bit of column B.
Tl;dr: even if Bernie had polled well among mainstream voters, it would have taken mountains to move the whale that is Hillary. She had ties to every corner of the DNC. It’s not totally that she had to rig the primary, but it was a fools errand to run against someone as powerful and well connected as her.
I mean, my argument isn’t that Hillary didn’t have deep ties to the DNC, or that the DNC didn’t want a coronation in 2016, but that the bias of the DNC and the influence of Hillary’s campaign on the primary beyond that of a normal candidate was not significant enough to create the massive amount we lost by. If we’d lost by 1-2%, or even as high as 4-5%, maybe there’d be a stronger argument, but at 12%, without evidence of serious malfeasance beyond favoritism, it’s pretty clear that… Bernie was just not the more popular candidate. While frustrating, the core problem was not Hillary being well-connected - it’s the US still being an immensely right-wing country.
That Bernie polled even lower in 2020 against Biden, losing many of the areas he carried in 2016, also shows that a non-neglible proportion of the votes Bernie did get were from anti-Hillary votes, rather than pro-socialist sentiment.
Fair point. I do agree that the mainstream electorate skews skews further right than terminally ill online leftists. I just think running a robot over a populist against another populist was a severe miscalculation by the DNC, regardless of how well he polled. Hillary had the charisma of a wooden board and a lot of baggage. Polls are useful to getting a pulse of the people at a moment in time. Many polls showed Bernie outperforming Hillary against Trump. The context matters. But I hear you.
Yeah, the DNC is just a long string of unforced errors. I just don’t want people to think that there’s an easy solution that’s been denied them, because… there isn’t.
Some of the people refuse to believe that the accelerator and steering wheel do anything, even though the pro-cliff people are clearly steering and accelerating.
Some people think we’ve already gone over the cliff, and thus trying to drive the bus is meaningless.
They’re wrong, but they believe it, and people’s beliefs are sometimes too precious to let go.
And some people aren’t on the bus, just on video chat, but for some reason are still arguing to drive off the cliff.
Interesting… but the ice cream is supporting genocide. Some would rather die than vote for that. And I guess it could be argued that at least the people dieing by going over the cliff had a chance to vote. The ones dieing from genocide didn’t.
How’d that work out?
For the people who feel that way… I would assume they sleep better at night than most of us. As far as end result, too soon to tell. But the rise of people like the NYC mayoral primary winner indicates that it might be having an impact. Even the Republicans are talking about splitting into two parties. This isn’t the way I personally would have chosen to instigate progress, but it might be happening.
Yeah, it might be too soon to tell. On one hand it’s good to tell the corporate Dems they can’t offer something slightly better than awful, but then empowering the people behind Trump seems so dangerous. People are being harmed, including new people who weren’t being harmed before. Will it be worth it? Will it work out at all? Nobody is guiding this, we’re just reacting. The right is supposed to be reacting, but they have the power.
I think best case we end up with 4 political parties. But it is really sad if the best way to get there really is all the pain and suffering that is happening now. It’s hard to say if all out civil war would be better or worse really.
Humans evolved in a space of competition with other species. That drive results in what we have now with people hatinging others because they are different. Sadly, there is no evolutionary drive to counter that. In fact, society still supports that drive by elevating those who leverage that hate for thier own profit. So I guess our best bet is for AI to take over, or aliens.
Four parties would be quite interesting. I think we’d need to do away with the first past the post voting system and have ranked choice instead.
I want to push back on your second paragraph because I don’t think it’s quite right. Humans are literally the only species where individuals will cooperate with complete strangers. Pick 5 random people from across the planet, put them in a space together, and they’ll cooperate.
But if you limit the resources like food for those 5 people, and 3 speak english, while 2 speak only languages they understand. Those 2 are dead meat. Even if it was like 3 strong guys and 2 petite women, bad things would happen after a little while, and at least 1 of the guys would end up dead. In reality, any 5 people would cooperate temporarily. But sooner or later they would split into factions. Exceptions do occur, but look at any office, school, team or band. Factions end up forming, almost always around competition, percieved or otherwise. It’s how humans get ahead. The amount of time a group can survive is mainly dependent on thier ability to exploit another group.
I really don’t think most people will just up and murder or rape someone. People are more useful alive than dead and when they’re free vs oppressed. I don’t want to be an ass but I think you watch/read too much fiction. People are better than you think.
Is voting for controlled opposition harm reduction?
Like I agree that Kamala was the correct choice, but her inevitably milquetoast liberal policies would keep us stagnant until people voted in the next Republican out of boredom
Like I agree that Kamala was the correct choice, but her inevitably milquetoast liberal policies would keep us stagnant until people voted in the next Republican out of boredom
Luckily, as voting in Republicans has historically shown us, voting in the Republican will lead us to radicalize and become socialists. /s
If the core issue is that we’re not putting in the work after engaging in harm reduction, harm acceleration is not likely to fix that problem.
I don’t agree with it, it’s just how populations vote.
Is voting for continuing to drive on the road harm reduction? It’d keep the bus from getting ice cream until people vote to drive off the cliff out of boredom.
Well it’s an analogy so let’s get more precise.
You don’t vote for a destination, you vote for a bus driver. Your two and only two choices are both telling you they’ll take you to the ice cream parlor while claiming the other driver will drive you off a cliff. Meanwhile, you see the bus passing multiple opportunities to stop at several different ice cream shops, doughnut shops, etc.
Then you find out that the company running the bus gets paid for every mile driven. And that every bus driver you’ve seen has been skimming the bus fare money.
Your shouts of protest against the bus chartering company are drowned out by all the other passengers trying to decide which of the two drivers would take the bus to the ice cream parlor vs the cliff.
This analogy is wearing really thin.
The candidates were not promising the same thing.
Trump is rolling out the policies he campaigned on. Tariffs, being mean to poor people, and owning the libs.
He did not promise ice cream.
In the analogy, your comment is part of the cacophony that doesn’t allow for change to take place.
“you are three days away from the best economy of your life”. That’s the ice cream.
Maybe you were too busy hearing the other driver talk about the cliff. Until we realize that those “other” voters are just as duped as we are, nothing will change.
If you’re a real person, and not a bot, you need to get used to the idea that your ✨ favorite ✨ political party doesn’t give a fuck about you or making your life better. Neither does the other party. You cannot ‘vote out’ a corrupt system of two colluding political parties.
You sure as shit can’t vote for anything anymore. Well done.
But if we vote for the non-vegan ice cream place, we’re telling the leadership that we’re okay with non-vegan options and no progress will ever be made!
/s for the illiterate
Except the two choices are never “ice cream and driving off a cliff.” The options are “drive off a cliff at the speed limit” and “drive off a cliff full speed.” If you demand the choice to not vote for a cliff diving, then it’s your fault we’re driving off a cliff.
Disagree. It doesn’t matter how fast you’re driving off the cliff, everyone in the bus dies. The choices were more like “drive the bus into a building” and “drive the bus into a building and and explode.” The time to demand a “don’t crash” option was long before November 5th last year. As of November 5th, your choices were “explode” or “don’t explode”
The idea that both parties are equally bad misses the part where one of them explodes.
It doesn’t matter how fast you’re driving off the cliff, everyone in the bus dies.
Yes that’s the point. Both choices lead to the same place the only difference is how fast we get there.
If you think that what Trump is doing is the same thing as what would have happened if Harris won, then you’re delusional. I literally can’t communicate with you. You’re incapable of thinking past the two words “genocide bad.” You can’t even get as far as “more genocide worse.” It’s three words, it’s too much for you
I get the feeling I’m about to get a reply proving that last sentence right
Genocide is not my issue. My issue is everyone I can vote for is taking this country in the same direction. The only difference is how nice they are about it.
Right now, since we’ve been forced into the mean path, is the best time to switch out the less bad path to the good one.
“I voted for the cliff because I know the ice cream place is down below it and I wanted to get there faster.” - Have to assume this person exists, but I’m not sure who they would be in the analogy. 🤔
Edit: Oh, I just had to scroll down a few more comments to find them.
I think like seven people on the bus would fight to swerve towards the cliff if they were told China is on the edge of it.
Yeah… But also, Carlin was right saying this shit is all a stage. We’ve got groups of bullies picking on us, and I’d rather throw bricks than help them decide who to pick on next.
Carlin was great at spotting problems, but shit at recognizing solutions. He was an entertaining crank, not a leader. In the right category he was great.
Good thing I don’t follow leaders or have any role models.
The other four didn’t vote because there wasn’t a party against genocide.
And those four are functionally equivalent to people who didn’t vote because they’re okay with either option
Genocide is much more like driving off a cliff than having ice cream or not voting.
It’s kind of sad that I even have to say this.
I mean if we want a better analogy, Harris represented the “crash the bus into a building” party, and Trump represented the “crash the bus into a building and explode” party. 3 people are voting for building, 4 people are voting for building and explode, and 4 people are saying “I don’t care whether we explode.”
One of those 4 thinks they’re making some kind of statement by saying “I don’t want to crash at all, so I won’t be voting.” He is indistinguishable from the 3 that just don’t care
Maybe stop with the dumb fucking analogies and talk about the real situation for a change. It’s not too complex to talk about (and if it is to you, holy fuck, maybe shut up and do some reading first?) and you’re fooling nobody with your deflections.
I have no problem talking about the real situation. One of the parties is in favor of less genocide, one of the parties is in favor of more genocide, and non voters don’t care whether we get less or more genocide.
Of course it would be better for everyone we could have elected a third party, but the choice was between Harris (sells weapons to Israel) and Trump (sells more weapons to Israel and also starts a genocide here in America), and non voters didn’t care which side won. In the absence of the option you want, you have to make the best available choice.
Less genocide, but not the stopping of genocide? Man, do I not feel sorry for gringos when they act like this is a moral choice.
How would you know, anyway? They refused to acknowledge there was a genocide in the first place while they sent a record amount of money and weapons. Oh wow, such harm reduction.
No genocide > less genocide > more genocide. No genocide was not on the ballot; the choices were less and more. Reread the last sentence of the comment you replied to. I guess you’re right though, the Democrats could have started a genocide against the American Latino population. I guess there’s no way to know which option was less harmful
I just knew the comments were going to be us tearing each other apart.
I’m just thinking out loud here. What if Progressives that are registered as Democrats changed their registration to independent? Also, stop sending them your money. We could organize it to happen over one week. Then keep it that way for 30 days. See how much power we truly have. If we can show the Democratic party that they would never win another election without us, maybe they would be more likely to listen.
We have to be careful though, I know this President is running roughshod over the Constitution with the blessing of SCOTUS and Congress but they don’t have enough votes or State legislatures to amend the Constitution. If they get that, then that truly is the end of this experiment.
You can’t play Mexican standoff because the Dems have an out: the center voter. If they left doesn’t vote them in, the Dems will go to the center to find voters. And a center voter is worth double because it’s a vote for you plus a vote taken away from the GOP.
The Harris campaign tried to appeal to the centrists, and look how that turned out.
She looked at Biden who did left things and what did that get him? Lose the house for years 3 and 4. And polls showed he was going to lose. Aka the left never showed up even after getting some left things.
Harris ran on women’s rights, mf’ing democracy, and while she didn’t say it it was clear there would be continuation of student debt relief, green energy, EVs, infrastructure, etc. But it didn’t work because “it’s the economy, stupid”. The left couldn’t even show up for their own human rights.
Biden did very, very few “left” things. His policies were center-right. (For example, when the railroad workers threatened the economy with a strike, the left-wing response would be to temporarily nationalize the rails; the right-wing response would be to protect the railroad companies and remove the workers’ ability to strike.) Progressives showed up to vote for Harris, anyway, as the numbers show. The mythical “centrists” did not.
Biden: Green energy, EVs, drug price control, PACT act, Chips act, student debt relief, build back better, etc. Rail. That’s just of the top of my head. But it’s always n n n not enough for the left. He did left things but the left wasn’t going to show up. Every. Single. Time.
All of those are center-right policies, tinkering with the mechanics of a fundamentally neo-liberal system, when that system is slowly crushing us (57% of Americans living hand-to-mouth). Imagine why voters aren’t fired up to come out and support a boost to, say, semiconductor research spending to strengthen U.S. supply chain resilience.
Called it: n n n n n n n n not good enough.
Want more? They have to walk before they run. Right now y’all don’t even want the walking, you’d rather protest no vote in Trump lol.
Or: Aka you’ll never show up, so why would they cater to you? Why would they cater to the voter who will quite literally never show up.
*Ps I also like how you don’t respond to the rail bit, your whole big argument.
In what world is green energy right (sorry, center right) wing. This is… insane is the best word I can find. Ciao.
He did some lefty things sure, but most of those were dramatically weaker than they could and should have been. He also spent the majority of his efforts on right-wing policies.
You can keep complaining that it’s not enough for leftists, and you’d be right. Someone who half-asses a bunch of leftist policies, and hardcore pushes a bunch of right-wing policies is not going to be supported by leftists.
Are you serious? The question is how do you get more left things? The answer is to reward the left things that happen.
TellShow them that doing left things gets you voted in.Right now they are punished for the left things they do. So what’s the logical course of action? Drop them and move to the center. To find voters that actually show up.
Cmon. This is simple.
One one hand harm reduction is nice, but on the other I have seen exactly nothing from Western politics these past few years to convince me that any harm is being reduced. The principle of harm reduction requires serious, productive action (so not canvassing and voter drives, for the love of God stop doing voter drives) to be taken during the period when the harm is reduced to push democracy off its collision course with fascism. When progressives don’t take that serious action—or worse, actively shut down said action—they’re simply kicking the can down the road, turning harm “reduction” from a credible strategy to a farce. I don’t disagree with the principle, but where’s the action necessary for any of this to make sense? Because as far as I can see, harm reduction in America was the farce version.
One one hand harm reduction is nice, but on the other I have seen exactly nothing from Western politics these past few years to convince me that any harm is being reduced.
For fuck’s sake, have you not looked around to see what’s happened these past six fucking months?
The principle of harm reduction requires serious, productive action (so not canvassing and voter drives, for the love of God stop doing voter drives)
“Stop performing one of the core functions of harm reduction that attempts to reduce harm!”
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to be taken during the period when the harm is reduced to push democracy off its collision course with fascism.
Pointed out below. But I guess it’s not fast enough for your tastes, so let’s do nothing and usher in the fascists to power instead. After all, politics are like a magical pendulum, where one side winning means the other side must get an equivalent win eventually!
When progressives don’t take that serious action—or worse, actively shut down said action—
When the fuck are progressives shutting down serious action?
they’re simply kicking the can down the road, turning harm “reduction” from a credible strategy to a farce.
You’re absolutely right. In the wise words of a political party canvassing for seemingly everything a good fucking third of the ‘left’ commenters here have come to adore, we’re all going to die someday. So why not as soon as possible?
Critical support for harm acceleration! Fuck those minorities anyway.
I don’t disagree with the principle, but where’s the action necessary for any of this to make sense? Because as far as I can see, harm reduction in America was the farce version.
“We’ve managed to make ‘socialism’ into an acceptable word in politics and almost got a democratic socialist into a major party’s nomination twice in the past ten years, in a country which has been immensely hostile to any socialist ideas for at least 70 years, and in an intensified period of anti-government right-wing insanity since 1980.”
“Clearly you haven’t been making any progress, shitlib! Time to abandon all levers of power to the fascists.”
For fuck’s sake, have you not looked around to see what’s happened these past six fucking months?
I have, and I know that without the serious action I was talking about it was a question of whether Alligator Alcatraz would’ve been opened in 2025 or 2029, with maybe a small chance of 2033. There was nothing unique about 2025 that made it the ideal timing for a fascist takeover.
“Stop performing one of the core functions of harm reduction that attempts to reduce harm!”
Well as long as all or most of your energy is going to harm reduction you’ll only ever end up with fascism.
Pointed out below. But I guess it’s not fast enough for your tastes, so let’s do nothing and usher in the fascists to power instead. After all, politics are like a magical pendulum, where one side winning means the other side must get an equivalent win eventually!
Oh I’m under no illusion that fascists winning would (or, well, will given that they’ve pretty much already won) bring about a socialist revolution or any of that stuff.
When the fuck are progressives shutting down serious action?
Remember Uncommited? Palestine protests? Calls for Biden to step down? I have seen all three get called Russian psy-ops by supposedly left-leaning people on Lemmy. You probably know better than me whether that’s a representative sample of American politics, but holy hell for a time you couldn’t say anything bad about Biden without getting showered with downvotes around here. This sort of cannibalism was one of the many forms of complicity that allowed the march to fascism to proceed unimpeded.
You’re absolutely right. In the wise words of a political party canvassing for seemingly everything a good fucking third of the ‘left’ commenters here have come to adore, we’re all going to die someday. So why not as soon as possible?
I mean, in this case we’re more talking about whether it’s worth it to pay through the nose for life support when you already know what you have is terminal.
“We’ve managed to make ‘socialism’ into an acceptable word in politics and almost got a democratic socialist into a major party’s nomination twice in the past ten years, in a country which has been immensely hostile to any socialist ideas for at least 70 years, and in an intensified period of anti-government right-wing insanity since 1980.”
That would be nice-ish progress in saner times, and a few decades of it and you might’ve had a shot at sane government (if the establishment didn’t manage to tank the whole affair, anyway), but like what makes you think you ever had that kind of time? The clock was already ticking with Bush, really got going with Obama and Trump 1 pretty much sealed the deal. When I say fascism was inevitable I don’t mean it was coming within decades; I mean America was going to be fascist by 2033. Much more direct action was needed to prevent fascism within that timeframe. So with that in mind,
But I guess it’s not fast enough for your tastes
No, it’s not fast enough for the reality on the ground.
This is just accelerationism. Which like ok but let’s call it what it is and admit that it’s a dangerous idea with a horrible and immediate human cost.
What? No. Accelerationism would be “we should vote for fascists/not vote at all,” which is not at all what I’m saying here. My point is that the left’s strategy needs to radically change if it wants to have a hope of stopping fascism. To repeat, I want fascism to be stopped here; my argument is that the way the left has been attempting to do so is woefully inadequate.
My point is that the left’s strategy needs to radically change if it wants to have a hope of stopping fascism.
Cool, so, the thinking is to buy yourself enough time to convince the left to radically change?
No? “We haven’t changed enough yet for my tastes, so this is all pointless”?
To repeat, I want fascism to be stopped here; my argument is that the way the left has been attempting to do so is woefully inadequate.
And that you see no point in buying more time, don’t forget, calling it a ‘farce’ at first, and then, after conceding that there was significant progress, dismissing it as ‘not fast enough’ to be worth considering.
There’s a good fucking chance that I’m a dead man walking. The projections for additional deaths caused directly by this administration are in the millions. Quite literally every fucking left-wing cause in this country has been set back immensely by this fascist victory, and fascists internationally significantly strengthened. And yet there are people here, people like you, who aren’t stupid but seem quite content to bang a very stupid drum, insisting that preventing this would not have been all that big an issue - because we’re all going to
diebecome fascist in the end anyway, so what does it matter if it’s four years from now or today?I fucking take my meds every day not because I think I’ll gain immortality if I keep doing it, I do it because it staves off death one more day at time. Despite the fact that it doesn’t cure the underlying problem of chronic illness/mortality.
So yeah, I’m a little fucking pissed whenever this comes up.
I agree people should have voted kamala to prevent what’s happening now…
But for progression now, nothing about shaming the voters disenfranchised by the Democrats is worthwhile.
The Democrats were never entitled to any votes, they shouldn’t have been so conceited as to tank their own popularity with conceit in the interest of capital.
The ones who voted for trump are to blame in the immediate for sure, what’s happening right now in the US is tragic. But to be so myopic as to pretend that’s all that matters is foolish.
The Democrats were never entitled to any votes,
Here we go again. Not voting for the Dems was fine, because Dems aren’t ‘entitled’ to anyone’s vote. So glad people chose to punish the Dems at the expensive of the lives of millions of actual human beings. But surely, the Dems will learn not to act entitled after THIS defeat. I mean, it didn’t work the last fifty fucking times, but THIS time, they’ll learn their lesson, and all those people murdered by the fascist ghouls that abstainers let into power will at least have their deaths be for a worthy cause!
Yes, the Dems’ll learn any day now… if only we let a few million more minorities get murdered, they’ll surely learn…
