• Pup Biru@aussie.zone
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        there’s a reason that the acronym is STEAM now. the arts are just as important as science, tech, engineering and maths (both for society and culture at large, but more specifically it’s been shown that music helps people with learning other academic concepts). the right sees the only value in society as that which produces direct economic value. it’s a right wing meme because it paints the arts as a waste of time, and economic management as important

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          A few things to unpack here. Firstly, the most right wing people I know are PhD candidates in philosophy. They are huge proponents of the arts. They would argue that the anti-arts sentiment in the Republican Party today comes from their embrace of the working class and is not a traditional conservative value.

          Secondly, the reason many of us disregard the STEAM acronym is because it’s meaningless. Arts encompasses all of the subjects outside of STEM so STEAM just means “all subjects” which is not something you can focus on by definition.

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            the most right wing people I know are PhD candidates in philosophy. They are huge proponents of the arts. They would argue that the anti-arts sentiment in the Republican Party today comes from their embrace of the working class and is not a traditional conservative value.

            i think that this comes down to terminology and communication… generally in the world today, “right wing” encompasses social and economic conservatism. when i say right wing (as an aussie), im talking about both the republican party, and the australian Liberal/national coalition (bearing in mind that the capital L liberal in their name means economic liberalism - aka libertarian)

            i agree with a lot of right wing values, BUT im much more left, because whilst i think that economy and currency are important to produce left wing (for everyone) values, it fails to account for negative externalities (which includes both social, and economic economic externalities… and honestly social negative externalities lead to economic externalities)

            “right wing” today in general communication, imo, means something different to what right wing meant during the french revolution

            Arts encompasses all of the subjects outside of STEM so STEAM just means “all subjects” which is not something you can focus on by definition.

            it doesn’t though… business (including both accounting and management), hospitality, trades, law, marketing, psych, teaching… i hesitate to include nursing but not medicine, but there’s a grey area there… and i didn’t even start to list trades and things in australia that aren’t “university” but covered by “TAFE”

            STEAM is almost… secondary value: by default (except tech and eng perhaps?) they don’t produce value, but are important precursors that feed INTO the other things. you have to value the precursors, else the other “value makers” don’t have a foundation

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          Also, financial literacy applies to capitalist systems, by glorifying it, they are glorifying capitalism

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            Recognizing and surviving within the system you are in a skill everyone needs, it is not glorifying anything.

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              Home economics was an excellent class that exposed students to many creative and practical applications that were often ultimately built around budgeting.

              Too bad they don’t really offer that anymore