Edit: Oops, it is /r/Tennessee, not /r/ProgressiveHQ
Reddit is so wild now, man. I got a three day site-wide ban for commenting on a LAMF thread about Mitch McConnell not liking the direction of the Republican party now even though he was one of the architects. My comment agreed. Apparently I was harassing Mitch McConnell.
Why can a mod in one subreddit ban someone from the whole site?
Wow we can’t even criticize our politicians anymore? Land of the free, my ass. And fuck reddit, toxic wasteland.
“Well, I do mind because I motherfucking live here, and I’m not having a good day. So how about you stop being a fucking knob and answer my question?”
Me too. What district?Is it a senatpr? I’m drowning in hopelessness over here.
I am not, haha, sorry. That was just my hypothetical response.
Wow what a cunt of a mod
All Reddit mods are cunts. No exceptions.
Obligatory fuck reddit comment
Lmao reddit mods love sucking nazi cock
They got rid of all of us mods who didn’t bow and kiss the ring and the star.
Now all that’s left is the worst of the mods.
What is the charge? Eating a meal? A succulent
ChineseThai meal?We know how they source and process their chicken…
From
The start page of the internet
To:
this tiny little corner on the internet
Reddit sure has come far
At one point it was a glorious place. Then 5 people became admins and mods of the most popular 100 sub reddits and began controlling the narrative to fit their beliefs. In my opinion reddit has been dead for at least 5 years now
Front page, I believe was what they called themselves. But yeah, it’s been a glorious fall.
Taking the Facebook and Twitter route
Reddit mod moment ☕
Fuck reddit, and fuck censorship.
Lets be clear though, reddit is only worse than lemmy because it is centralized by one group of douchebags.
Lemmy has plenty of shitty moderation too, and arguably is worse at dealing with it within any given instance due to the lack of proper mod tools, the way posts that are deleted remove entire comment sections from being accessible, the lack of any appeals system and I’m sure a few other things I don’t remember off the top of my head.
Its a people problem, and its a style of organization problem with this style of forum.
reddit is only worse than lemmy because it is centralized by one group of douchebags
That’s a really big distinguishing factor though. When a group gets “too big to fail,” it becomes a problem by giving said group too much control. Look at the genocide apologist mods on /r/worldnews .
The de-centralization / fragmentation of Lemmy is an important check against bad moderation.
You absolutely bring up good points yes, but at the same time, I don’t think its a check, so much as a mild mitigation. Even on the lemmy verse there are still mega subs that take on the most activity and gain similar types of “too big to fail” critical user bases.
The core problem, is that when a group gains disproportionate control over what users can see, they can push their views/twist arms, and that ultimately isn’t solved here.
I agree. Lemmy has a ton of awful moderators that abuse their power just to support “their” viewpoint.
Lemmy is better though because it at least has the potential for people to have better moderation, as well as a modlog that keeps mods somewhat accountable and let’s people see what is being censored.
as well as a modlog that keeps mods somewhat accountable and let’s people see what is being censored.
I’m not sure if this is still true, but you can get around that though if you ban the person before removing the comment. Also, some communities have a delay on showing what’s been removed.
I agree. Lemmy has a ton of awful moderators that abuse their power just to support “their” viewpoint.
Indeed. Famously the elephant in the room of the ml instance where they’re gone so far off the deep end on a lot of topics that they end up in essence supporting extremist conservative views/human rights abuses and worse. This is either with direct support with the weird straight up dictatorship praises many sing, being so toxic and hard to talk to that they push people away (who I hope know they certainly aren’t the average left leaning person) or the awful thing many do where they feel any incremental positive change is bad, and the only good change is a magic overnight revolution and shift to 100% exactly their view of how society should work, that they’ll also never spell out.
Lemmy is better though because it at least has the potential for people to have better moderation
In some ways yes, in some ways the opposite (as mentioned with the lack of tools).
Regarding the modlog, maybe I am missing something, but when things are deleted here, its actually a little bit worse than reddit sometimes in that you won’t be able to immediately see the content that was deleted of yours, and then for mod logs, I believe (As I am not 100% sure) that comment removals disappear when the user who made the comment is banned as well, so its kinda false transparency.
Lemmy has plenty of shitty moderation too
Oh absolutely. Not long after I created my account, I saw an obvious spam post on All, I downvoted it and went about my day. Turns out I was banned from that community because of that downvote. I asked why and was told that because I downvoted a post in a community I wasn’t subbed to, I was banned for “brigading” even though it was a spam post. I wonder if I had upvoted despite not being a community member if I would have been banned?
More recently, I reported a comment for a common ableist slur (against someone else, not me), and the reply to the report was “doesn’t break the community rules and also we agree with the guy who said it”. I looked up their community rules and they specifically say all opinions are welcome and not to attack or harass others, which I would presume calling someone the “R” word for having an opinion would violate both tenets of that rule set. Nope, they support garbage like that despite what their rules say, so I told them to please ban me.
and its a style of organization problem with this style of forum.
Which lemmy mitigates by being decentralized.
The mod of a fascist sub about a fascist state of a fascist country on a fascist website is behaving like fascist? I’m shocked.
I dunno why, can’t really put my finger on it, but I have this slight hunch that it might be related to fascism in some way.
So what you’re saying is that it’s a small corner of the Internet problem eh? ;)
Haven’t been to Tennessee, I went to Louisville Kentucky, I hated it there. It was like going back in time, all white people in suits, the only black person was homeless. The homeless guy was moving place to place so shop owners wouldn’t have time to harass him. Nothing like a fancy meal in a high class restaurant full of well off white dudes and a homeless black guy outside the window.
Reddit sucks? Gosh, next you’re going to tell me Twitter and Facebook are bad, too!
Twitter and Facebook are bad as well.
Ask a question or express an opinion that goes against the group think on .ml
Lemmy is worse than Reddit because it thinks it’s pure but it isn’t.
i dunno it’s pure batshit most days
Tennessean here who tried to organize on my state/city subreddits. Can confirm this kind of partisan censorship is not new.
A while ago I made a innocuous enough post on my city’s sub about a “Release the Epstein Files” billboard that went up and was paid for by our local Mobilize chapter. Within an hour it was the most upvoted post of the past month. Within 2, it was removed without reason and I was blocked and banned permantly
That’s Reddit, I was banned from a Pokemon Go subreddit for being against Niantic forcibly leaving their sandbox environment on iOS.
We need to be careful on Lemmy. Only the fact that the moderators and admins have goodwill are keeping Lemmy from becoming like Reddit. If Lemmy gets big and starts attracting people who want to pay to take over communities, that will stretch the moderator goodwill to the limits.
The difference being that Lemmy supports multiple communities with the same name.
If an instance is allowing their communities to be sold, they can be defederated.
As the number of users goes up, it becomes more difficult to enforce that way. Even if many people switch communities, when new ones search for the community by name, the one with the most users will pop up first. And it becomes more and more difficult to justify defederating an instance over a couple of communities if the instance has a ton of big communities.
It makes me think that maybe “communities” wasn’t the way to organize, maybe you subscribe to a topic and see all posts for that topic on all instances.
But moderation is good, and defederation is too severe a tool to use for moderation. It feels like there is no good solution.Ive always liked subscribing to hashtags so you get user led topics. EX: https://piefed.social/tag/peertube
Ive always thought it would be good to elect mods from the community. Instead of having a mod that is in charge of EVERYTHING in a community, it should have periodic elections (or just a vote of no confidence by a certain % of users, then an election). The ones that vote have to joined the community for X number of days/months/etc… That way it prevents a bit of the brigading. Also if communities are basically dead, it can help revive them.
Just an idea.
Piefed has topics I think (I’m mostly on mobile so not something I use but I remember it being there when I set up my account)
Yep and it works well: Example: https://piefed.social/f/fediverse
or ~fediverse@piefed.social (this resolves if you are on a piefed instance)
It might be some sort of vetting to know all your users are real people.
I’ve considered setting up a Lemmy/Piefed for my neighborhood, but I’ve been told I’m unlikely to get the neighborhood off of our very active Facebook.
Which will make the return on investment questionable, especially if the whole thing gets meme’d into the spotlight. And if it doesn’t attract more attention, it probably didn’t need to be shut down in the first place.
Public mod logs help a lot.
It doesn’t, at all. They don’t care.
It can be used to pressure admins to remove problematic moderators. It can be used to pressure admins of your instance to defederate from other instances with problematic admins. It means mods can’t gaslight people about their actions. Obviously it doesn’t magically stop bad actions but it gives us a lot of ways to resist it and counter it.
In theory, yes. I have seen one (1) case of it working, across hundreds of communities.
Ive seen it work. https://piefed.social/modlog?communities=765
Im seeing quite a bit of activity in just this community. Looks like they are doing their (unpaid) job :)
You’ve only seen one case of mods not being able to gaslight people? I’m been a little cheeky because it’s so much more than getting mods to step down or apologize or shit like that. If they’re the problem people can make a new community. If the instance is the problem you can jump ship to a new one. Hell, you can even self host if it comes down to it.
Thats where federation comes in. Don’t like how mods are running things? Just set up a mirror forum on a different instance and people will come if theyre sympathetic.
If we ignore the network effect, or the effort it takes, it’s a great idea!
It’s a fair point. Don’t discount the power and value that comes from keeping the same platform, APIs, and client software during a community migration away from the censorship. Plus having a clear line delineating the extent of a mod’s power to suppress viewpoints likely reduces the incidence of abuse in the first place.
I was banned from Reddit by Reddit for calling out a shill. And then they censored my post and deleted it from my data request so that it was impossible to prove I wasn’t inciting violence. That whole place is fucked.
It sounds exactly like the behavior of Reddit moderators. The entire platform was a form of hidden marketing; if anyone discovered it, they would flag or ban you.
Super curious about the Pokemon Go thing, wasn’t able to find anything on Google though. Could you tell what to search or share a link? Thanks <3
Reddit mostly cleared that up by deleting the posts, and banning the users. They couldn’t risk looking like they did anything wrong, like working alongside a company to check for running apps on iOS, when it’s specifically designed to be sandboxed. Not surprisingly, other users discovered Apple was turning a blind eye to the attempts to check systems memory for hooks.
they’ve shut off posting so that no more pesky informational posts can be made.
Reddit has really gone down the hole and sucks Republican cock hard.
Yeah but greedy little pig boy Spez just became a billionaire, so it was worth sacrificing your speech for his wealth.
To which I disagree.
With all the cases on reddit where it seems that outcome serves republicans - there is a counter-argument of how most major subs are democrat-sided subs. Maybe mods are republicans, but still user base is majority of democrats. r/pics, r/adviceanimals, r/therewasanattempt, r/clevercomebacks, r/facepalm - these were never primarily about politics. And now they are and these are only democrat-sided.
Or, maybe, it is astroturfing and political bots swarm these subs. Who knows at this point?
We MUST Protect Jeffrey Epstein!
-Republicans!
We need to stop attacking pedophiles!
- Ted Cruz
*Can we
But yeah fuck Raphael
No outside political agitators (This is a broad one, but if we look at your post history and all you do is spam geographical subs stirring the political cauldron we will remove your post and ban you from this sub)
The lesson on Reddit (if you still use that platform) is to hide your history. I’m guessing they used this rule for the ban. Bans from subs should exclusively be for content posted on that sub. If something is bad enough to warrant a sitewide ban, that is another matter.
Anyhow, there are is another post about the election: https://old.reddit.com/r/Tennessee/comments/1p36q6s/millions_pour_into_tennessee_special_election/
That history can be made visible on the new layout with the complicated hack of going to the profile page, and using the search bar to search for a space or an asterisk.
Lol, what a garbage site. They have so many different layouts and versions of the site that I’m not surprised they fucked up on (at least) one of them.
The more complicated you make something, the more room you are giving yourself to fuck up.
So better lesson on Reddit: just don’t bother with it.
This raises the question: Is there somebody else on that sub posting about the special election? There should be enough Tennesseans that at least one of them should post there.
Blue dots in a sea of red. I’m in a similar political geography and you see a similar pattern.
I’m sure there’s been quite a few posts, but they just don’t last.
Reddit is sort of dead.
You are guessing, but they already said why, so we have no need to guess.
