cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/31072292
Summary:
I downvoted pro-AI comments in a post in leftymemes community. It was LLM generated polandball comic (Which is objectively pathetic as fuck) that showed up on my feed, blocked couple of users who I thought were unhinged, and have blocked the whole instance on my client after realizing how rabid these morons are.
I didn’t go looking for AI posts like a vigilante.
One user in question got miffed for being downvoted and banned me from places they moderate.
The entitlement is running strong in those anti-GenAI evangelists, thinking they can just wander into someones home turf and behave like shit, and then complain if there are consequences. YDI
To be fair, the typical defenses of that technology are the most maddeningly empty headed shit I’ve ever read, including conversations with real life fascists and work with people deep into senility.
Listening to enough of them has genuinely given me a substantial vein of anti human ‘most of this is just unrefrigerated meat, there is no spark of intellect, no consviousness, no beauty to be found here’ type thought.
I wouldn’t go into ‘/stable diffusion fruit’ to throw a fit about it, but my first instinct when someone says that tech is good is just straight up assuming, whether its on silicon or meat; the thing im talking to is not a person in any way that matters to me.
Im occasionally wrong, and have to adjust course, but it has become an unsettling oft confirmed default which i very much resent.
I just really want to emphasize here:
this technology is often defended with a stupidity so profound and so stubborn that it has broken the last shreds of my love for humanity, a love for humanity that survived being thrown away onto the street like trash as a child, no small amount of rape abuse life unhoused and tending to those who had suffered so much worse than I. In its place that stupidity has awakened a creeping suspicion that there never was such a thing as ‘humanity’, and I’m utterly alone in a howling void.
I might be able to give you another perspective.
This technology is the first time that humankind has ever been able to create an interactive snapshot of human culture. Everything thats been written, scanned, drawn has made their mark on those models, and it gives you glimpses in what else there might be in the human cultural space. It’s not intelligence, but it’s distilled human culture.
I am very critical about the fact that this technology is mainly in the hands of corporations that want to use it as a cost cutting tool. I am also not a fan that GenAI is pushed into everything just to get sweet investor money. I am far less alarmed about the productivity increases themselves, or about copyrights which are normally only wielded as a weapon by the rich.
The power consumption argument doesn’t even apply here - the generation of those images does not cost more energy than playing a computer game for 2 minutes, is often done on consumer grade hardware (like the one running here now while i type this), and the training of the models is not necessarily very power hungry if done smart (deepseek used a fraction of the power that GPT4o needed). Also, with the massive expansion of solar power generation (we’re at the point where the price starts becoming negative at peak solar output) the power itself starts becoming a non-factor.
Copyrights themselves are a clusterfuck, which is an statement that many artists would agree with. I personally wish for the following (copied from the vote-thread regarding the rule we’re discussing):
I would make a case for creation of datasets by a international institution like the UNESCO. The used data would be representative for world culture, and creation of the datasets would have to be sponsored by whoever wants to create models out of it, so that licencing fees can be paid to creators. If you wanted to make your mark on global culture, you would have an incentive to offer training data to UNESCO.
I hope i could give you a bit hope in humanity back - there are still idealistic people out there.
Again, its not even the technology, its the typical advocate of it. Its the fuckers who defend it as everything it’s not, against all evidence.
I’m aware it can be a neat little toy. It even has niche uses in a lab. Not worth the perfect sociological attack vector it seems to be. Trying to convince that it’s not your friend, doesn’t love you, and isn’t making art, and the kind of pushback i get from that, is the real black pill here.
Maybe don’t assume all people who support or are interested in a certain thing are the exact same people would be a nice start.
I often wonder about antiAI opinions such as “it isn’t making art” what differentiates art to you? When it genuinely does create things that are not already in existence, how do you square that circle?
When people say LLMs are just fancy autocomplete, and I ask it to check an entire nodered flow for logic issues and it points out valid and interesting things I overlooked when designing it, how exactly do you determine that’s autocomplete? Because I’ve used autocomplete or intellisense or whatever and this is leaps and bounds beyond those capabilities.
I said ‘i find im wrong sometimes’
But this reads like ‘not all men’ so im gonna spare myself the rest of your comment.
I’m attempting good faith discussion on something I find interesting, but you do you.
I told you how arguing about this with enthusiasts who don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about has effected me, and you’re still trying to tell me how your cool toy is actually magic tho.
You’re "not all men"ing me about my problem with people who “not all men” about their fucking favorite toy. Not even the first in this thread to do it.
That’s like three layers of the oblivious piece of shit version of, like, reverse FLN recursion; a kind of active anti-consciousness.
I wonder if the users who champion AI crap ask ChatGPT how to respond to critics?
I downvoted an AI post once and a mod banned me from multiple AI subs for being involved in “Vote manipulation”.
I immediately block any community built on slop. I would be elated if they did the work for me.
If only people would follow your example instead of bullying and harassing our mods.
I have been banned from at least two slop communities for that reply. The moron in charge really got me. I can’t contribute nothing to society now.
Guess it’s time to hang up my hat, walk up the stairs, say bye to mom and dad, and go outside and touch grass.
I think the mod in question has a simple script that bans anyone who comments in the fuckAI sub.
I caught a ban and I am definitely not anti-AI.
I think the mod in question has a simple script that bans anyone who comments in the fuckAI sub.
That’s actually worse, do you not see how that’s worse, how that’s even more PTB?
Except that you two completely fabricated this “simple script” story. So you are arguing against a strawman.
I didn’t make that story, he did. Learn some reading comprehension. Also it doesn’t matter, mod is a PTB regardless banning people for downvoting or external participation. Both of those things are awful and power-tripping behavior.
Seems fair enough to me. Why would a mod of a genAI community want people with a history of being anti-genAI in their community causing problems? And why would you even want to go visit that community in the first place, unless you wanted to cause problems. Imo this is a win-win situation. YDI.
You think it’s good for mods to ban anyone and everyone who downvotes to create an echo chamber where only those who fully support them are left?
It’s an art sharing community, not a debate forum.
YDI. !fuck_ai@lemmy.world is cringe. Let people enjoy things
mm yes under 1 day old account
Upvotes and downvotes aren’t a “I like/dislike this” button, they’re meant to highlight comments that are contributing positively and constructively to the discussion, showcase insightful comments, or to filter out irrelevant content.
YDI for misusing the buttons.
