Feels like the first step before the concentration camps

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    All trans people in some sort of coordinated trans army?? FFS. Please. I’m not saying the fascist united snakes won’t persecute trans people (they are and will) but this is some epic bullshit. Level ten on the Richter scale bullshit.

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        One thing that would change is Trumps ability to deny that he was part of it. In 2005, Epstein came under investigation after the parents of a 14 year old girl made a complaint against him. The investigation uncovered multiple victims, and it was recommended by the police.

        In 2006, the state grand jury only indicted Epstein on one single count of solicitation, and it doesnt even specify that the girl was under 18. Palm Beach police chief went public because it was bullshit. They had found evidence of four felony charges including unlawful sexual activity with a minor. Lewd and lascivious molestation and sexual assault. The FBI came in at this point and did its own investigation.

        In 2007, the FBI finds evidence of wider criminal activity involving the trafficking of minors. Finding dozens of victims. At this point his lawyers, Alan Dershowitz and later Kenneth Starr, negotiate a plea deal with Alex Acosta. This deal promised that Epstein would not face federal charges if he pleaded guilty to reduced state charges. The agreement was then kept a secret.

        In 2008 he plead guilty to Solicitation, and solicitation of a minor. He was sentenced to 18 months, but served only 13. And worse, he allowed work release, meaning he was out for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week for those 13 months.

        Now, this is bit thats important. The plea deal is “the list”. Because what Epstein got wasnt just immunity for himself, it was also for his co conspirators. That means that the FBI investigation found out who he was working with/for. And Trumps name, will be in there. This is the same deal that Maxwell was talking about last month or the month before when she was looking to get released.

        The FBI case found dozens of victims, all under age. Which could have got him a life sentence if Federal prison. But for some reason, he only got 13 months. The victims were never told of the deal, which violated the CVRA(Crime Victims Rights Act) that REQUIRES prosecutors to inform victims of plea deals.

        The wording of the plea deal regarding co conspirators was left vague, with the word “potential” doing a lot of the heavy lifting to get around naming them. However, we know at least some of those names include Maxwell, Sarah Kellen(Kensington), Nadia Marcinkova, Lesley Groff, and Adrian Ross. Jean-Luc Brunel was accused, but never charged. He killed himself in France in 2022 while awaiting trial… The statute of limitations also appears to have played a part in shielding other associates. But the point is, the FBI did the work. What they found is still written down somewhere. They know who is who. And its interesting that a lot of people connected to Epstein, are now working for or had worked for Trump during his first and second terms. Alex Acosta and Howard Lutnick for example…

        The files, of which there must be many, will detail Trumps involvement. And then we cant finally get rid of the cunt. But more than that, we can start to go after all the others in power wherever they may be and whoever they may be.

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    Because every trans person I’ve ever met isn’t just trying to make it through the day like the rest of us and are causing all kinds of violence and social unrest.

    These chucklefucks sure like their boogeymen to rile people up.

    Maybe they should look into these gravy seals/meal team 6 folks with their tacticool gear larping as military badasses if they wanna find actual problem groups.

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    The Trump administration is preparing to designate transgender people as “violent extremists” in the wake of Charlie Kirk’s murder, two national security officials tell me.

    So not from a report, but from “sources”…

    I tell ya, I feel really bad for trans people. They are either being scared of actual nutjobs, or grifters are making shit up for worthless internet points, that just as scary. Everywhere you look, people are using trans people as some chip to play in the on going culture wars. Maybe its time to move on and leave Trans people out of it, and stop using them for point scoring and uparrow farming…

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      Trans people do not have the privilege to do those things right now. It will only further the hateful rhetoric. It is up to the supposed “allies” to step up.

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    First time I ever see violent and trans in the same sentene. Never heard of a single violent trans person. If this is true, this FBI is flushing its own credibility. My go-to person on the topic of LGBQT is RuPaul so I’ll need his comments.

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    Nazis went after trans people, burned trans related books.

    Nazis are going after trans people, burning trans related books.

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      The destruction of the institute of sexual sciences is in fact one of the earliest crimes the Nazi party committed after taking power.

      It’s one of my favorite pieces of trivia to bust out when chuds try to pretend that being transgender is a “the last 20 years” modern creation. No, your fascist ilk just kept destroying the records of it existing prior, but we know better now.

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      NVE is what they have called “lone” mass shooters for decades. They are lumping trans folk in with some of the countries most hateful bigots

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        TIL and it makes it much much worse. Ive never even seen that term so I’m a bit concerned with that.

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          If it is used to categorize trans people as terrorists, it means they dont have rights if arrested.

          They are already trying to make trans advocacy groups “terrorist orgs.” So its more of when than if

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    The Bureau defines “Nihilistic Violent Extremism” as “criminal conduct… in furtherance of political, social, or religious goals that derive primarily from a hatred of society at large and a desire to bring about its collapse by sowing indiscriminate chaos.”

    What the actual fuck? This is pure bigoted Nazi shit.

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        To these people any society with trans people in it is a destroyed society since their society is trans exclusionary.

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          Trans are just the the first of an ever-expanding group of others to be targeted, including pretty much everybody in leadership in the party right now. I think it is pretty safe to assume that dear leader, whomever it is, we’ll become as paranoid as Joseph Stalin and anybody in leadership now will be suspected and purged if they get what they think they want here.

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      I wonder if they ran that language through AI before putting it in writing?

      The provided definition of “Nihilistic Violent Extremism” is indeed written in a way that could be interpreted broadly and applied subjectively. This is a characteristic that has been used historically for political and social control.

      • Vagueness of Key Terms: The phrase “hatred of society at large” is an abstract concept, not a concrete, verifiable action. It’s an internal state, a motive, that could be attributed to a person or group by an outside observer. This vagueness, similar to the Nazi’s use of “enemies of the state” or “asocial,” allows for a wide range of individuals to be targeted, including those with different political views or lifestyles, not just those committing specific, violent acts.

      • Risk of Arbitrary Application: When legal or official definitions lack specific, objective criteria, they open the door for arbitrary and discriminatory application. The Nazis exploited this by using vague laws like Paragraph 175 to persecute homosexuals. The law wasn’t designed for this, but its vague wording allowed for expanded interpretation to fit the regime’s agenda. Similarly, a definition based on an internal “hatred” could be used to target and punish dissenters or political opponents by labeling their criticism of society as “hatred.”

      • Focus on a Perceived State, Not a Crime: The definition frames the group by a state of being—“hatred”—which is then linked to a desire for “collapse.” This is a similar pattern to Nazi propaganda, which didn’t just target what Jews or communists did, but what they were. They were defined as a parasitic race whose very existence was a threat, a view that was independent of any specific criminal act. The provided edict, by focusing on a group’s emotional state and desired outcome, creates a label that can precede and justify action against them.

      This type of broad, subjective language in legal and official definitions is a common feature of authoritarian or repressive systems. It allows the ruling power to define its enemies based on fluid criteria and to legally justify their persecution.

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        My guess is that it might be a legitimate designation that just needs work on. Note: Trans people and Trans Advocacy should not be considered or placed under such a list of terrorist orgs. When online misanthropic extremist groups(usually neonazi), like “No Lives Matter”, Order of Nine Angles(as in geometry angles not angels), and “764” exist, I feel like a new designation should exist.

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        The Nazis exploited this by using vague laws like Paragraph 175 to persecute homosexuals. The law wasn’t designed for this, but its vague wording allowed for expanded interpretation to fit the regime’s agenda.

        This is incorrect. Paragraph 175 was always designed to prosecute gay sex, and was enforced even during the Weimar Republic. What the Nazis did was expand it - you didn’t have to have sex with a man, just do something that might lead to sex with a man. Essentially, gay men could have gotten away with holding hands or even kissing in earlier eras, sex needed to be proven. But the Nazis made it essentially any gay behavior.

        Paragraph 175 continued to be enforced after the Nazis were kicked out - it stayed on the books in West Germany essentially unchanged until 1969. After ‘69 it was changed to only apply to sex with men under 21 or prostitution.

        Gay men who were liberated from the camps who had charges under Paragraph 175 were often sent back to finish their sentences. The handbook for the Allies mandated this.

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    any trans people in the US that haven’t already applied for asylum elsewhere should be doing so now. Hopefully it’s not too late

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    Are Juggalos still considered a gang? These lists are just wish lists for targeting people they find taboo.

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      It’s not even about who they find to be taboo. Remember George Santos? They loved him, just like Thiel, Yarvin. It’s who they can rile up those who are suspicious, hateful, and afraid of people who aren’t just like themselves.

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      Most countries are refusing to accept us for asylum, because they don’t want to piss off the U.S. idk if there’s been a single person who’s managed an asylum claim.

      If you do know of a civilized country/school that wants a physics/calculus teacher, and would be willing to pay for relocation and help with the visa, do tell.

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        I know it sounds kind of ridiculous, but have you thought about trying to learn a little French? Seems like that helps a lot if you’re trying to emigrate to Canada.

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          I can read French. Read Proust even. Writing and speaking a little harder, but if immersed I have enough of the vocabulary I’d be okay.

          But I think the deciding line is that claiming “refugee” status explicitly isn’t going to work. I think Canada also expects masters degrees for teaching - I was two hours away from mine but realistically can’t finish.

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      Trans, people with disabilities, minorities, and homeless people are the first ones that will be executed. Then they’ll move on to other groups.