Nope.
Those questions are not tough for them at all. The propaganda has it covered and they will give some version of “we tried our gosh darned best to bring the savages freedom and democracy but their barbarian culture was simply too primitive”.
Its pretty hard at this conjunction in time, they used to be able to get away justifying these interventions with the “stopping genocide” card, but they can’t say that now that they’re enabling Israel. The facade of virtuousness has fallen.
Never ask a nato supporter who Adolf heusinger was.
With all that is happening in the world, someone decides to spend time to make a meme about NATO being a bad guy?
Well yeah, considering they are the bad guy, NATO is nothing but an organization for the furtherance of US empire led expansionism
I have never met anyone who supports NATO
I can’t seem to find anyone in real life who doesn’t.
What a blessed life 🥲
I support NATO, in the sense that if NATO dissolved Europe would get eaten like a three-course meal by Russia. Ukraine shows that all too clearly. it has many problems, though.
There’s no evidence of this, though. Scaremongering about Russia taking Paris and whatnot has no economic backing. Russia has been clear about why it invaded Ukraine, it wants to demillitarize it as it was cozying up to NATO, and NATO has been encircling Russia for decades. If NATO didn’t exist, there would be no reason for the Russo-Ukrainian war to begin with, as Russia doesn’t stand to gain much, if anything, economically.
I acknowledge the argument NATO is encircling Russia. To what extent does Ukraine differ from other actions by Russia such as Georgia in 2008? Which sorts of actions are not resistance to NATO encircling?
Ukraine is an interesting case, due to the Euromaidan coup in 2014 leading to the nationalists taking control. Prior to Euromaidan, relations with Russia weren’t so bad, actually.
My understanding of Euromaidan is likely tainted, but wasn’t that a Ukrainian alignment to the European Union and not NATO? Aligning to the European Union would still be a move away from Russian influence.
It was generally a pro-western coup. You can’t really disentangle the EU from NATO from the US along clean lines, they have lots of overlap. NATO, in 2021, affirmed its plans of further integrating Ukraine.
Really, Euromaidan was sparked by Yanukovych pivoting away from the more predatory IMF loan offer to the less predatory Russian loan offer. Indeed, the loan from Russia had better terms, the IMF loan would have forced Ukraine to slash their healthcare and education budgets, and stop subsidies in natural gas (which kept energy prices low) as part of the loan terms.
I fully support Europe being destroyed
Why?
Never ask an EU supporter about why their own country doesn’t get to decide things for its self
Zing! 😆
NATO wasn’t involved in Iraq were they?
Bush desperately tried to tie saddam to al-qaeda so he could trigger article 5 by claiming 9/11 was an act of aggression. That didn’t pan out but the empires most loyal dogs still went with the us on their massmurder campaign. See the “coalition of the willing”
You forgot Poland. — GWB
Fair enough, nobody in Poland seem to even remember this happened.
Not NATO, countries that just so happened to be members of NATO for completely unrelated reasons don’t even worry about it.
Nope. Because Iraq isn’t on the North Atlantic. Did OP ever look at a map?
What do you think OP meant when he listed all those countries not in nato?
What about Gaza?
What is NATOs involvement there?
every single country in that T-word organization (I leave figuring out what the “T” word is as an exercise for the reader) provides material support, whether directly or indirectly, to the settler-colonial entity.
- it is not true that every single county does that
- the ones that do, do it as individual states. Same as backing Ukraine is the decision of every individual state rather than a NATO project
- NATO is not a Tennis Organization. :-)
- it is not true that every single county does that
For starters, every single member has diplomatic ties with the settler-colonial entity (save for Turkey’s intermittent “severing ties” posturing), that alone is substantial material support. Now, I’m not going to list every single notable contribution to the settler-colonial entity for each member state in that organization, so please point out which member state does not contribute to the baby-and-women-murdering sex offender haven “state”.
- the ones that do, do it as individual states
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_211209.htm
NATO and Israel have worked together for almost 30 years, cooperating in domains such as science and technology, counter terrorism, civil preparedness, countering weapons of mass destruction and women, peace and security. Over the last year cooperation has grown, with NATO welcoming Israel’s intention to strengthen the naval interoperability by recognising Israel as a partner for NATO’s Operation Sea Guardian, and Israel’s Defence Force military medical academy now serving as a unique asset for NATO’s Partnership Training and Education Centres community.
And even if that was somehow true, which it isn’t, it still doesn’t change the fact that every single country in that T-word organization provides material support.
Well if you count decades old recognition of a state as a support of what is going currently in Gaza, i will not spend time to find any examples because on that premise you would be factually correct, but your premise is wrong. Past recognition of a state does not automatically mean support for its actions, which you seem to imply.
Coopertation on anything else with NATO not really adressing the point, as we are discussing the situation in Gaza specifically, not Israels ties with NATO in general.
Why do redditors read the first sentence, somehow completely take away the wrong information from the first sentence and then proceed to ignore the rest of the comment as they refuse to elaborate their position?
For starters, every single member has diplomatic ties with the settler-colonial entity. Two things that are explicitly clear here:
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This does not only equate to “past recognition”. Diplomatic ties entail cooperation and a relationship between two states that facilitiates, among other things, trade and transport agreements and citizen travel between the two states. This is diplomacy 101. That said, it should not be hard to understand why having diplomatic ties to a settler-colonial entity counts as support for the genocide of the Palestinians.
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This is not the only point being made here. This is why I prefaced with “For starters”. The fact of the matter is every NATO member does indeed provide material support to the vermin psycho-“state” full of grown men posing to the camera wearing clothes of the children and women they murder/violate.
Also, NATO ties to the entity is PERTINENT to the point that NATO members and NATO itself provides material support to the entity to slaughter Palestinians. It’s not hard to understand from the excerpt what “30 years of cooperation on domains such as science and technology, counter-terrorism” etc… means. I just provided proof that material support from NATO was and is still happening, straight from NATO.
Instead of engaging in deeply unserious one-note retorts that only serve to prove your lack of comprehension skills and insane mental gymnastics, point out which member state does not contribute to the baby-and-women-murdering sex offender haven “state”.
Redditors?
About diplomacy 101 My country has diplomatic relations with russia for example. We do however not cooperate in most aspects. In fact we are on the list of their enemies.
My country also has diplomatic ties with israel. And we do cooperate. Mostly in education. My country is also a NATO member without a single US soldier or base present. Also opposed to current Gaza events.
Vermin psycho state is a bit too much for me. I’d just stop the discussion here.
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