Oh yes, your food-bad religious extremism is somehow my fault. Just another thing that vegans love about being vegan: false victimhood.

Go get your own identity. This one is boring.

The only people who believe that animals cannot be raised as livestock in a sustainable fashion are the closed minded food, fanatics known as vegans.

It can be done, but not with your limited imagination and viewpoint on the world.

The problem is that people like you don’t want a solution. You want to be able to simultaneously claim victimhood while also lecturing and condescending to the entire world. Veganism is nothing more than an addiction to the sense of superiority over others.

If you actually cared about greenhouse gases, or animal cruelty, you’d be willing to explore other options. But vegans are extremists. It’s their way or no way.

I (and most people), on the other hand, care about greenhouse, gases, and animal, cruelty, and all of the other downsides to factory farming, but I’m not so stupid, I don’t have a big chunk of my brain, scooped out by religious fanaticism, so I can actually see alternatives.

The problem is, as you describe, poor resource and logistics management. Not what we actually eat. But you don’t care about that. You have a quasi, religious viewpoint, and you hate everyone who disagrees with you just because they disagree with you.

I’m sorry, you’re religious food fanaticism has blinded you to more rational options for dealing with greenhouse gases and animal cruelty. Your black-and-white approach is, clearly, not convincing me enough people to make a difference. So maybe you should focus on something that will make an actual difference: stop being a domineering, asshole, and lecturing people on how they should live their lives.

I’ve eaten crow. I would not recommend it.

Nearly 8,000,000,000 humans require a lot of food. And it’s better that we eat livestock then depleting the local wildlife for nourishment. That’s a whole point of farming.

It’s still baffles me that anyone, especially in the last 10 or 15 years, suddenly thinks that this is a barbaric practice that must immediately end, despite the fact that this is the way it’s been for tens of thousands of years.

Because a bunch of pretentious, condescending jerks with some sort of food fanaticism should be able to bully everyone into their way of thinking.

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Wrong again!

Thank you for proving my point. Your fanaticism has blinded you. Psychologist would call this “deflection”.

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No, your point is that you’re mad that the entire world hasn’t gone vegan, and you’re venting your frustration here. Problem with that is, that isn’t gonna get anyone to change their habits either. It’s just going to cement the stereotype of the whiny, bitchy, pretentious, condescending vegan that has been so well earned by every vegan on this planet.

If everybody hates what you are, nobody’s going to become what you are. Be the change you want to see in the world. Stop being such a whiny, bitchy, condescending, pretentious jerk about telling everyone what they should be doing with their lives. You have no right to do that, and more people than not will do the exact opposite just to show you up.

People hate to be lectured. And that’s all that vegans know how to do.

Aw… Little baby found an opinion on the Internet he didn’t like, and all he can do is hurl childish insults.

You’re not gonna convince anyone of anything when all you can do is throw a tantrum when you hear something you don’t like.

But he just loves boofing with Squee so much!

Perhaps, but you’re much more likely to get people to undertake modest to change than radical change.

Those cameras that cops wear? They have buttons, too.

Those cameras that cops wear? They have buttons, too.

people who think others are overreacting aren’t going to care without proof.

These people will never be satisfied, regardless of however, much proof and evidence you provide. It’s a trolling tactic known as Sealioning. Endless demands for proof while acknowledging none of them, regardless of how undeniable. It’s a delayed tactic to avoid ever having to admit that they were wrong or at fault, betting that you will eventually give up first.

This is like a factory farm where all the animals are kept in horrible conditions. You cannot make a vegan out of “they are treated bad” but you can if you show them.

You’re not gonna convince anyone with bad faith arguments based on niche morality. If you’re gonna cite the problem being that the farm is a “factory farm”, then the alternative is to, obviously, make it a humane farm. But, as a vegan, your agenda is too clearly shame people for eating meat altogether. That makes your criticism a factory farming, disingenuous, since the obvious alternative, human farming, isn’t didn’t even an option for you. Your problem isn’t with factory farming, your problem is with the fact that people eat meat in the first place. And you’re never gonna win an ideological war with an extremely dubious moral argument.

I feel you are just making excuses for weak people who can do something but choose not to.

And I think you’re being hypocritical of others, considering the context of your judgments when measured against your own actions, attempting to make/enact social change because you realize the hypocrisy and nonsensical position of your own argument.

From a political standpoint, it comes down to weighing the political cost of sneaking in a camera and possibly being arrested for trying to sneak photos out, and between the knowledge that anyone who’s listening damn well knows how fucking bad it is there already without having to see pictures. And the political value of acting like victims of fascism (which they unquestionably are) might be more valuable than showing pictures and video of horrors that Americans are already numb to.

In short, there is more value in being denied the ability to take photo and video then there is an actually showing the photos and video. That way, people will assume the worst as their imaginations will allow rather than showing yet another video of people in horrific conditions. If that sort of imagery could motivate Americans to act, it would have already. The imminent threat to free speech is far more concerning to the people of this country as a whole.

Most concentration camps had dormitory style housing, where it was just a ton of bunkbeds inside of one giant shack. Some of Auschwitz was like this, too.

The oldest dog lived to 29 years old. So, I suppose it is possible she’s still alive. But I highly doubt it.