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  • Friend, you are the one that brought a legal argument to the discussion. You’re being disingenuous by saying it’s now irrelevant when I asked for specific evidence supporting your claims.

    I don’t know what a formal right is.

    A “healthy kid” can also understand the need for parental guidance, particularly before teen years.

    There is no general case. We’re discussing minors. Kids are not being victimized by being raised by competent, privacy minded parents. They don’t need the privacy in their digital communications while they are a minor. They need it when they are an adult, and my kids will know the value of that privacy better than you understand it.

    Take care.



  • Klox@lemmy.worldtoAsk Lemmy@lemmy.world*Permanently Deleted*
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    Me and two of my siblings went for PhDs, and only one came out successful. I got to teach a ton during my attempt which I really loved, and having the PhD would open up a few of those doors. In my career (tech) there were only a couple short times where I thought having the PhD would help, but over time I managed fine without it.

    As to why I didn’t get the PhD, my advisor was truly awful and I didn’t recognize the signs since I was just going hard at the work. Tons of red flags were there in hindsight. I wised up and quit a few years into PhD (after already earning a masters) and went software engineering, and by all measures have had an excellent software career. Several years later he was convicted of federal crimes and disgracefully removed from the university. So somewhat of a vindication of my experience; I regularly imagine what could have been, but not because I have any specific regrets.

    I still love learning and think I may still go for the PhD some day. Another sibling just had too much happening in life. Tried to do a work sponsored PhD and couldn’t get it over the line before having to move on. She may revisit it some day, but it’s tough juggling a slightly different job career and now she has kids to make it more complicated.

    For my sibling that made it, it was tough. They had alot of anxiety and stress. They use their degree to teach now so I guess it was nevessary, but it’s not glorious by any means. They don’t make a ton, and have had to move universities and programs. They were able to leverage a lot of skills from their degree (biology) but it’s still a pretty regular battle even when not doing research. They aren’t able to support a family on a single income, but that is increasingly common.

    If you have the time and passion, I don’t see why not. I am getting some textbooks in some fields and will see where it goes. Maybe I’ll go for a PhD when my kids go off to get their bachelors! I guess my advice is making sure you fully evaluate the program, the advisors available, the time commitment, what different exits look like, and if needed, what doors the PhD is actually opening up.


  • I guess I didn’t explicitly say this in my original comment, but my intended point is that kids do not have a right to privacy. I explained from a personal POV why I as a parent make this choice, but since you’re interested in the legal side: kids cannot provide or revoke consent because they do not even have this right. Legal guardians have this right on behalf of their kids. This is true pretty much universally across governments. If you have a specific example I am happy to change my mind. Particularly for ages 3 to 9, which is what this toy is targets to (which I would never buy heh).

    The government provides many legal safety protections for kids (so we can skip the arguments related to invasive privacy that is violating some other protections), but by and far most countries and US states do NOT provide kids a self-managed right to privacy. Parents/legal guardians control the consent of their kids. So you’re simply wrong.

    With that said, kids should absolutely bring up home problems and concerns with other trusted adults. If privacy is being violating another legal safety protection for kids, then they should absolutely bring it up. If the kids don’t like that the parents are violating their privacy (even if it’s legal), they should bring it up. I personally would never hide any monitoring I have on my kids, and wouldn’t recommend that approach to any parent.

    There could be a legal issue for violating a second party in a two-party consent state, or third-party monitoring. But it’s almost universally true again that single party monitoring is allowed for minors. And I’d be happy if you brought any specific claims if you disagree.


  • I think you’re missing the major thesis of my comment. This is not at all about trust. For example, they literally do not understand when they are behaving like a bully. It requires educating them. They don’t understand when they are being rude sometimes. They don’t understand many aspects of culture, why would they? I’m not going to let middle school group dynamics shape my kids moral compass. Empathy needs to be taught, sometimes very explicitly.

    I’m sure they will come to us for advice and help, and I also know they won’t come going to us for everything, which is fine. But I’m not going to half ass raising my kids. That goes for dozens of topics.





  • Well my kid was texting other middle age kids from her school. There’s already been cases of kids screenshotting conversations that are just “between friends” to share with others. I also have no idea what those kids are aware of – maybe they have seen these movies and understand the memes better than she does.

    Yeah, there is a shit load of potential harm. Are you not aware of cyber bullying? Are you not aware of how mean kids can be? You think kids fully understand gaslighting, manipulation, and scams? Most adults don’t understand this, and this privacy forum thinks I should just let the events unfold randomly for my kids? I am not being a helicopter parent simply by monitoring and educating my kids. I understand the stereotype. I discuss science, philosophy, politics, finances, privacy, anonymity, permanence of digital communications, atheism, world tragedies, case studies in exploitation/scams, and dozens of other topics with my kids.

    My spouse and I are both sex positive, so it’s not that it’s something we “dislike” our kids discovering. Frankly, we are excellent parents because it’s something we value, discuss, and try to be intentional about. But thinking they will just intuitively navigate digital communication is very naive. We have an excellent relationship and I’ll do my best to keep making it stronger. I hope they will feel comfortable coming to me for any topic, including sex. I’ll basically be setting them up with a much better understanding of the values of privacy than 99% of parents.

    But kids are dumb. You can’t just lecture at them. They are learning, but they are dumb, and will make mistakes as they learn. Why would I not be involved in that?

    I appreciate the conversation. I fully expected a lot of downvotes on an anonymous privacy sub about kids not having privacy. It doesn’t bother me. Someone asked an interesting question about the intersection of kids and privacy, and it’s a topic I am passionate about. So yeah, I am happy to defend my choices as a parent if there’s more questions even if it goes against the norms of the community.





  • In my experience, absolutely not. And it’s not about sheltering kids. It’s about teachable moments. My spouse and I review the conversations my kids are having with their friends a couple times a month (and they know this) and I know a few other parents are doing the same. There’s so much harassment and bullying that IMO you are being a negligent parent if you don’t review and step in. We don’t need social interactions to be unhealthy and feign ignorance when they grow up to be a shitty person.

    Kids are kids. They aren’t fully developed, they are impulsive, and groups of kids are just exponentially dumber. IMO empathy should not be treated as a natural skill. It can be taught and that often requires lessons, teachable moments, and correcting course through interventions. I’d say the toughest is the group texts with their friends.

    My 11 year old was having super obnoxious “meme conversations” a couple weeks ago, often with unintended sexual inuendos. I can’t imagine that someone else is going to tell me I’m violating her privacy by being proactive. We discussed the memes and how they should conduct themselves in conversations. Another time, we saw her agreeing with a bullying conversation from another kid. We’re going to step in because that’s not a healthy conversation.

    It won’t be like this forever. They will have their privacy at some point, but they need to demonstrate their maturity much clearer before that can happen.

    And no way in hell am I giving my kids an Internet connected chat bot stuffed toy.



  • It can absolutely be overwhelming, and very easy to forget specifics over a long time. It’s partly why I don’t really go for CLI apps, and ~all of my apps are just Ansible manifests. Which apps are causing the biggest problems for your family?

    What exactly is breaking each of these times? Guides that cover 95% sound pretty solid to me. It’s hard to write a guide covering 100% of scenarios. Admittedly I also worked in the field, but the field is extremely wide so maybe there’s some knowledge areas to deepen that are commonly giving you problems and/or move towards a less brittle setup.

    Re-evaluating what’s important is important. If it’s not fun then you should reflect on having the right balance of what is helping you and your family vs causing excessive stress. IMO the “avoid all tech companies” is slightly overblown (blasphemous, I know). It’s a good guiding principle but it’s fine to “buy services” that make your life better. For example, I self host a lot, but I was totally fine buying a finances tracking app (the spreadsheet-based one) because it’s doing a lot of heavy lifting that I can’t reasonably do myself at the level of convenience I want.



  • Klox@lemmy.worldtoPolitical Memes@lemmy.worldWhat the Fuck, Chuck
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    He’s been a senator for 27 years and Democrat leader for 8-9 years. His power isn’t his vote. It’s building party strategy and convincing the people that Democrats are essential to governing. He hasn’t done bubkis. The party has been weakest under his leadership. He needs to be primaried and GTFO. New York has better.