So your problem is with humans in general. Ok. But assuming the answer isn’t “kill all humans”, socialism is less likely to cause this than capitalism because of diffusion of power.
(I’ll preface this by saying that I favor a blend of capitalism and socialism and I’m a social-democrat)
Whoa whoa whoa… Does capitalism not diffuse power by putting some of the power in the hand of private businesses? Isn’t that the whole point of it? In fact, doesn’t socialism essentially do the opposite by giving the country all the power?
I mean if, say, the government manages and distributes all homes, what’s to stop the government from behaving like a greedy corrupt private landlord and witholding housing from certain people they don’t like, since they have a monopoly on homes, basically? Imagine Trump having that power.
This happened in communist Romania. The government took my granduncle’s house, who opposed the regime. When the regime fell, he became a democratically elected social-democrat member of parliament. He got his house back eventually too, as did everyone else
The FiniteBanjo guy has a solid point here
You’re still relying on the separate powers in your country to keep each other in check, same as you would today, else you just have a “socialist” oligarchy that basically looks like the USA of today, with the Trump-aligned oligarchs hoarding everything and giving everyone else crumbs.
Not to mention you’re still relying on free and fair elections and freedom of speech to weed out those very people that want to use the socialist “monopoly” to their benefit.
Am I missing something here? I don’t feel like I am. Practically any system can be corrupt. We’ll never be fully safe.
I think things are much more complicated than just capitalism vs socialism
Anyway, probably too much scrutiny for a Lemmy debate lol If only politicians in office gave this much of a fuck
EDIT: See, it’s funny. On paper, capitalism = “you will have private ownership so the government can never fully control you” and socialism = “you will have no private ownership so a private entity can never fully control you”. And the solution is you need both so neither can ever fully control you.
Track record doesn’t show that, attempts at violently overthrowing capitalism have thus far always ended in autocracy. There are many governments with much less corruption than, for example, the USA, so idk where you pulled out “kill all humans”.
So your problem is with humans in general. Ok. But assuming the answer isn’t “kill all humans”, socialism is less likely to cause this than capitalism because of diffusion of power.
(I’ll preface this by saying that I favor a blend of capitalism and socialism and I’m a social-democrat)
Whoa whoa whoa… Does capitalism not diffuse power by putting some of the power in the hand of private businesses? Isn’t that the whole point of it? In fact, doesn’t socialism essentially do the opposite by giving the country all the power?
I mean if, say, the government manages and distributes all homes, what’s to stop the government from behaving like a greedy corrupt private landlord and witholding housing from certain people they don’t like, since they have a monopoly on homes, basically? Imagine Trump having that power.
This happened in communist Romania. The government took my granduncle’s house, who opposed the regime. When the regime fell, he became a democratically elected social-democrat member of parliament. He got his house back eventually too, as did everyone else
The FiniteBanjo guy has a solid point here
You’re still relying on the separate powers in your country to keep each other in check, same as you would today, else you just have a “socialist” oligarchy that basically looks like the USA of today, with the Trump-aligned oligarchs hoarding everything and giving everyone else crumbs.
Not to mention you’re still relying on free and fair elections and freedom of speech to weed out those very people that want to use the socialist “monopoly” to their benefit.
Am I missing something here? I don’t feel like I am. Practically any system can be corrupt. We’ll never be fully safe.
I think things are much more complicated than just capitalism vs socialism
Anyway, probably too much scrutiny for a Lemmy debate lol If only politicians in office gave this much of a fuck
EDIT: See, it’s funny. On paper, capitalism = “you will have private ownership so the government can never fully control you” and socialism = “you will have no private ownership so a private entity can never fully control you”. And the solution is you need both so neither can ever fully control you.
Track record doesn’t show that, attempts at violently overthrowing capitalism have thus far always ended in autocracy. There are many governments with much less corruption than, for example, the USA, so idk where you pulled out “kill all humans”.
like the spanish anarcho-socialists, that got killed by nazis - it ended in autocracy
You’re not wrong.