Anarchists don’t seem to put much thought into how their ideas will be translated into reality. The most complex organization they can envision is basically a street gang that paves roads instead of dealing drugs. As based as it sounds it’s clearly inefficient yet anarchists seem more interested in vibes and less interested in results.
This applies to just about any left wing organizing effort, at least in Eastern Europe.
All of them will have been doing some real praxis. Either it’s theory, organizing protests, running food kitchens, other sort of mutual-aid etc.
Each of them wants to define what Marxism really is, assuming they even get that far to read marx and maybe whole 5 people here. Each year they throw more books at me and I have entertained them and respectably read their books.
Have they read my recommendations? No. They’d rather go debate with a liberal. Our governments have been stealing money from pension funds, medical funds, they’ve been stealing and plundering while we do nothing about it.
And I have never seen a leftist group here try to do anything to secure those funds instead. They deal with the consequences of consequences, but never take it a step further. Just like how they will blame USSR for collaborating with Nazi’s but ignore the fact that Western allies pushed them into that position.
Thus I have come to my conclusion, after years of both practical experience (real world interactions) and theory, they have conditioned us into what’s known and Splitting in psychology, we have Extremes, but we don’t have that much Radicals.
The difference between a Radical and Extremist mindset is that they are both willing to make huge amounts of sacrifices, but one of them is grounded in reality while the other is metaphysical. A radical can shake hands with their enemy and then come out of there uncompromised. An extremist will kill all hostages to save a few.
I think the real problem is that half the people here, including said anarchists, have only seen the memes. Let’s throw books at each other for the next seventy years dammit!
Yep, 20 billions people shifting the industry and the agriculture during the spanish civil war was definitely just a big street gang.
You seems to be misinformed
Which lead to insane declines in heavy and light industry output. Which lead to the republican forces being without heavy weapons and most of the anarchist areas falling without a fight. If I were a more cynical man, I’d say anarchists were outright sabotaging the republican war effort against the fascists.
I’d like to see you numbers, because every sources I saw show that Spain was focus on agriculture and lack of those industries before the revolution.
But I don’t see the link with solarpunk anymore; could you develop ?
You point was : anarchist won’t organize to change the economy. This is a counter example
If you have argument, we could develop. You know, like marxists are supposed to do
my point was anarchists don’t think big and was in reference to modern anarchists in the West, not whatever anarchists 100 years ago in Spain were doing
IWW and ICL is definitely “thinking big”. However this is not the main war western anarchists do organize.
I do agree that their is an issue in organizing at bigger scale, including internationally. I don’t know if this issue is bigger through anarchists movement than in population. We working to make this thing change. That’s why I’m interested in constructive critics.
The only constructive criticism I can offer is to follow the examples set by Marxist-Leninist orgs but at that point you should probably just become Marxist-Leninists.
I don’t know any anarchists that would refuse a Marxist-Leninist analyse (but they do exists, I’m just not organized with those). In fact this is very common in the autonomous movement (formally “operaist”); I know this is different now, but back in the days, Maoists shared a lot of point of view and actions with anarchists and autonomous, and other not with party driven Marxist-Leninist organization.
Their is a very specific marxist-leninist trend on *.ml that do not represents the diversities of those ideologies. Futhermore, their is a lot of ML comrade organizing in maxists, class-war or internationalist organisation with none ML people. Previous example ( CNT, ICL and the IWW ) have a strong strong marxists tradition. At that point, those differences seems not that big if we do try to have a revolutionary action (so a revolutionary and internal one); I agree that individualists approach are misleading. But with the rise of fascism, nationalists one seems very misleading too.
Anarchists don’t seem to put much thought into how their ideas will be translated into reality. The most complex organization they can envision is basically a street gang that paves roads instead of dealing drugs. As based as it sounds it’s clearly inefficient yet anarchists seem more interested in vibes and less interested in results.
This applies to just about any left wing organizing effort, at least in Eastern Europe.
All of them will have been doing some real praxis. Either it’s theory, organizing protests, running food kitchens, other sort of mutual-aid etc.
Each of them wants to define what Marxism really is, assuming they even get that far to read marx and maybe whole 5 people here. Each year they throw more books at me and I have entertained them and respectably read their books.
Have they read my recommendations? No. They’d rather go debate with a liberal. Our governments have been stealing money from pension funds, medical funds, they’ve been stealing and plundering while we do nothing about it.
And I have never seen a leftist group here try to do anything to secure those funds instead. They deal with the consequences of consequences, but never take it a step further. Just like how they will blame USSR for collaborating with Nazi’s but ignore the fact that Western allies pushed them into that position.
Thus I have come to my conclusion, after years of both practical experience (real world interactions) and theory, they have conditioned us into what’s known and Splitting in psychology, we have Extremes, but we don’t have that much Radicals.
The difference between a Radical and Extremist mindset is that they are both willing to make huge amounts of sacrifices, but one of them is grounded in reality while the other is metaphysical. A radical can shake hands with their enemy and then come out of there uncompromised. An extremist will kill all hostages to save a few.
Is that true, or is that just what you assume about anarchists based on internet memes? Have you actually read anarchist theory?
It’s an observation I’ve made from interacting with anarchists.
I love my anarchist comrades but they don’t have theory. Their idealism is why I moved away “Left-wing” Communism and toward Marxism-Leninism.
Now that’s just an unacceptably ignorant view.
No investigation, no right to speak.
I’m not talking anarchism - which does have theory - I’m talking anarchists.
Modern anarchists in the West, specifically.
I think the real problem is that half the people here, including said anarchists, have only seen the memes. Let’s throw books at each other for the next seventy years dammit!
Yep, 20 billions people shifting the industry and the agriculture during the spanish civil war was definitely just a big street gang. You seems to be misinformed
Which lead to insane declines in heavy and light industry output. Which lead to the republican forces being without heavy weapons and most of the anarchist areas falling without a fight. If I were a more cynical man, I’d say anarchists were outright sabotaging the republican war effort against the fascists.
I’d like to see you numbers, because every sources I saw show that Spain was focus on agriculture and lack of those industries before the revolution. But I don’t see the link with solarpunk anymore; could you develop ?
remind me who won the Spanish Civil War
Anarchist experiment last longer than 4 years challenge: impossible
You point was : anarchist won’t organize to change the economy. This is a counter example If you have argument, we could develop. You know, like marxists are supposed to do
my point was anarchists don’t think big and was in reference to modern anarchists in the West, not whatever anarchists 100 years ago in Spain were doing
IWW and ICL is definitely “thinking big”. However this is not the main war western anarchists do organize. I do agree that their is an issue in organizing at bigger scale, including internationally. I don’t know if this issue is bigger through anarchists movement than in population. We working to make this thing change. That’s why I’m interested in constructive critics.
The only constructive criticism I can offer is to follow the examples set by Marxist-Leninist orgs but at that point you should probably just become Marxist-Leninists.
I don’t know any anarchists that would refuse a Marxist-Leninist analyse (but they do exists, I’m just not organized with those). In fact this is very common in the autonomous movement (formally “operaist”); I know this is different now, but back in the days, Maoists shared a lot of point of view and actions with anarchists and autonomous, and other not with party driven Marxist-Leninist organization.
Their is a very specific marxist-leninist trend on *.ml that do not represents the diversities of those ideologies. Futhermore, their is a lot of ML comrade organizing in maxists, class-war or internationalist organisation with none ML people. Previous example ( CNT, ICL and the IWW ) have a strong strong marxists tradition. At that point, those differences seems not that big if we do try to have a revolutionary action (so a revolutionary and internal one); I agree that individualists approach are misleading. But with the rise of fascism, nationalists one seems very misleading too.
as long as no one is telling them what to do, that is the most morally important aspect i’ve come to find
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