I don’t expect this to play particularly well here, and maybe I’m just being conspiratorial, but here goes:
I banned jordanlund@lemmy.world from !transgender@lemmy.blahajzone earlier today- he literally posted a matt walsh youtube link and was being otherwise transphobic in a space where that gets you banned. (link)
one of jordanlunds removed comments w/ matt walsh video:
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the reason I put down was ‘trolling about neopronouns’ I stand by that, it was violating instance rules and was unacceptable behavior from a moderator of another instance.
Shortly after that I got banned from news@lemmy.world for ‘trolling’. To be clear, jordanlund does not moderate news@lemmy.world, but the timing struck me as an odd coincidence.
The .world thread in question (link)
I was expressing my actual opinion/position on this, if anything the post I was replying to should be considered a rule 1 violation implying leftists are russian/under russian sway:
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The removed comments that I was banned (permanent) for were just me being earnest about my position, which you’re welcome to disagree with.
I don’t view protecting my rights as something worth sacrificing other people for, even if they’re on the other side of the planet. You can be mad at me or hate me for that, but I’m not trolling.
People replying felt it was reasonable to call me an idiot for example, yet another example of selective moderation. on .world.
I don’t have any conclusive proof that my banning Jordanlund and then getting banned are related other than the suspicious timing, I welcome clarification.
Anyway in the interest of neutrality and transparency I submit both my ban and jordanlunds for review.
Really unsurprising considering it involved Israel. News mods usually bend over backwards like the r/worldnews to remove anything slightly critical. Especially when it’s calling out hasbara
Yeah jordanlund do be doing that.
That checks out for Jordanlund and Lemmy.world, unsurprising and still sad.
Every other instance should defederate from .world. Neoliberal fascism is no better than regular fascism.
Yeah. Why voluntarily get the worst part of reddit moderation?
If neoliberals being banned is the worst part of Reddit to you, then you probably need banned too.
I think we’re talking past each other or something. I was meaning that LemmyWorld is a shitty, reddit style, censorship regime. Not that neolibs getting banned is bad.
I personally call them Fascism Lite™
Diet Fascism.
This is the correct answer.
Isn’t FlyingSquid a mod there? They cooperate with one another, so if you cross one you cross both.
But yeah, doesn’t surprise me. Jordan is the same white dude who said he didn’t support BLM because protests inconvenienced him. He’s a peak liberal Zionist.
Isn’t FlyingSquid a mod there
He was, but if I remember correctly, he had a huge mental breakdown and threatened to commit suicide over zoom, and I think they removed him until he starts feeling better. It was a big deal a few days ago.
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I was the one that submitted the ban, after a number of reports. On the face of it (I am at work, so don’t always have time to deep dive), The reports did seem to align with trolling.
I had/have no idea what’s going on withe the Jordan Lund thing.
For what it’s worth I thought I was being respectful in my dissent, I was even keeping my comments to the one thread and not attempting to insult anyone. I’m entirely open to this just being coincidence.
Fair point. I’ll restore the comments and remove the ban
Thanks!
You shouldn’t use your mod account to post political hot-takes. Create another account to do that with unless you think it represents and promotes the community you moderate.
I can take that criticism, I can be quick to throw out a hot take. Though I’m not sure that obfuscation of political leanings of moderators is necessarily a good thing.
If anything it seems like it would be better for transparency to know who’s potentially censoring speech and what their opinions are, especially when something as simple as like “being trans” gets considered “political” by people.
I hate how quick world is to mass downvote, accuse of being a russian troll, or just straight up remove comments from people who express any sort of actual left-wing opinion. Reading through that whole comment thread there was nothing you said that came across as trolling. Its kinda exhausting how many people take any criticism of the democratic party as being support for Trump, or believe voting is the most important and only way to change anything. I get closer to just blocking world entirely every day tbh.
.world thinks if you give reasoned arguments, reputable sources, and have a logical criticism of a liberal, you’re actually just a Russian bot, China shill, trump stan, or whatever it is this week.
Being morally consistent is a negative to them and must be punished.
If we’re assuming it was a retaliation ban- The powers that be at lemmy.world would be wise to nip this type of thing in the bud now and replace those actively working to deceive and lash out at others from their team.
Eventually people will stop giving the owners/admins the benefit of the doubt when controversial things like this happen. What happens then? The time/money/resources are being thrown away to enable a few people’s egos and eventually the users will tire of it and abandon ship. It seems like we’re drawing closer to that every day.
One way or another the true colors will always come out. Interesting times ahead.
They will not do this because their overriding motivators are purifying the instance of any dissenting thought, it’s basically reddit. The anticommunist propaganda is so deeply rooted in the anglo psyche that they will basically do the feds work for them without even thinking about it.
I gotta kinda hand it to db0 mods for staying federated after we banned all their mods lol
I’m increasingly of the opinion that owners at L.W don’t know what they want it to be. The lack of direction manifests as wild moderation and shitty user behavior fairly often and people are tiring of it.
Instead of being able to provide stability and guidance when controversial things come up they attempt to play both sides or ignore the issues pretty often. They don’t want to lose their stranglehold on a huge chunk of users so they don’t want to discipline the people who are already there, mod or otherwise. From the fact checking bot to their promotion and acceptance of bad faith arguments it seems pretty clear that nothing there can be trusted IMO. It’s a recipe for disaster and we’re seeing the early symptoms of it.
There is probably time to turn things around but it requires making difficult decisions and shouldering responsibility for the mistakes of the past while addressing them for the future. I don’t see it happening.
A great time to tell people to migrate to other instances. Obviously I am biased but Hexbear is not only the best instance but the second most active after .world, just sayin.
Jump in the deep end, we don’t bite unless you’re a fascist, terf, or smug reddit lib
I suspect the slander from other places like L.W will keep a lot of people away from hexbear.
FWIW I don’t believe the future of the fediverse is large instances anyway. A few larger ones will likely make it as the “default” landing zones for people first discovering the tech. I think the larger instances will continue to suffer from users who insist they have a right to act like assholes just because they have an account, and most of the instances seem fine with this if it means their engagement is up. The larger they become the more the problem snowballs as it becomes harder and harder to keep up with the expanding membership.
There are a few that are putting in the work required to maintain civility, like db0. For most of the others it’s a race to the bottom just like capitalism because that’s all they’re capable of seeing.
Gotta sort of hand it to db0 mods. We banned them all but they stayed federated lol
As to the point about large instances we are not interested in growth at all costs, just in trying to provide a welcoming place for marginalized comrades.
