I’m sure with infanticide risk they are looking at mothers. Focus where the risk is. That’s what data is for. Why it has to be accurate. Infanticide risk monitoring will a postnatal depression checking on the mother.
So not all women? Just mothers? Just new mothers? Just new mothers showing symptoms of PND?
I think you may be correct, it would be ridiculous to send out politicians to say things like “women kill their babies”, much in the same way it would be ridiculous to to say “abusers are men”
We don’t get anywhere pending the problem is not as it is. Not all us men are abuses, but “93% of defendants in domestic abuse cases are male; 84% of victims are female.” https://refuge.org.uk/what-is-domestic-abuse/the-facts/
So we need to look at what is going on with men that is causing this.
MPs are not the ones doing the statistical analysis and creating recommendations on how to combat the issue, nor are the public.
MPs make the decisions based on the analysis and disseminate the relevant information to the public.
All your and Jess Phillips phrasing does is alienate and stigmatise the vast majority of men who are not abusers.
The experts need to look at what is going on with abusers that cause them to abuse.
I don’t feel alienated by her comments and I’m not an abuser. I know the reality is she is basically right. Focussing on race, like the interviewer was trying to do, is not the area to focus if you care about the issue.
What, that experts should be deferred to? Absolutely. I was never one who had “had enough of experts”.
Let experts gather good data and make decisions based on it. Jess Philips is commenting on something that sadly sticks out in the data, far more than race, when the interviewer wants to try and talk about race.
I think they both did their jobs very poorly, by attempting to make a nuanced issue that needs complex analysis by experts, into game of culture war top trumps.
I don’t think what is the most relevant between race and gender is something the general public can decide, leave that to the policy analysts, sociologist, and criminologists.
But I also don’t think it’s possible to get you to agree with my point of view on this one.
I think the interviewer was awful. He was doing culture war nonsense and trying to get Jess Phillips to engage. She is right that focusing on race in this, is fiddling at the margins. (With bad data). I don’t think it was the debate she was expecting to be honest as she didn’t seam fully prepared.
I’m sure with infanticide risk they are looking at mothers. Focus where the risk is. That’s what data is for. Why it has to be accurate. Infanticide risk monitoring will a postnatal depression checking on the mother.
So not all women? Just mothers? Just new mothers? Just new mothers showing symptoms of PND?
I think you may be correct, it would be ridiculous to send out politicians to say things like “women kill their babies”, much in the same way it would be ridiculous to to say “abusers are men”
We don’t get anywhere pending the problem is not as it is. Not all us men are abuses, but “93% of defendants in domestic abuse cases are male; 84% of victims are female.” https://refuge.org.uk/what-is-domestic-abuse/the-facts/
So we need to look at what is going on with men that is causing this.
MPs are not the ones doing the statistical analysis and creating recommendations on how to combat the issue, nor are the public. MPs make the decisions based on the analysis and disseminate the relevant information to the public. All your and Jess Phillips phrasing does is alienate and stigmatise the vast majority of men who are not abusers.
The experts need to look at what is going on with abusers that cause them to abuse.
I don’t feel alienated by her comments and I’m not an abuser. I know the reality is she is basically right. Focussing on race, like the interviewer was trying to do, is not the area to focus if you care about the issue.
Good for you, and the other slightly more relevant points in my last reply?
What, that experts should be deferred to? Absolutely. I was never one who had “had enough of experts”.
Let experts gather good data and make decisions based on it. Jess Philips is commenting on something that sadly sticks out in the data, far more than race, when the interviewer wants to try and talk about race.
I think they both did their jobs very poorly, by attempting to make a nuanced issue that needs complex analysis by experts, into game of culture war top trumps.
I don’t think what is the most relevant between race and gender is something the general public can decide, leave that to the policy analysts, sociologist, and criminologists.
But I also don’t think it’s possible to get you to agree with my point of view on this one.
I think the interviewer was awful. He was doing culture war nonsense and trying to get Jess Phillips to engage. She is right that focusing on race in this, is fiddling at the margins. (With bad data). I don’t think it was the debate she was expecting to be honest as she didn’t seam fully prepared.
https://refuge.org.uk/what-is-domestic-abuse/the-facts/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002dzj6
This isn’t something imported. Despite what Farage and co claim.