No he wasnt. He was an open right wing populist. The “he was a white supremacist” comes from things he either didnt say, or from things he did say that were taken out of context. For example that thing he said about checking a black mans credentials wasnt about black men not being able to be pilots. He was having a go at left wingers who hire based around race and gender. Up to you if think he had a point on that front, but the point is, he wasnt taking about black people. He was talking about white people/companies using black people to clout chase and wash their reputations.
“There is a disturbing pattern of Blacks jumping people of all races in the urban corridors in America. That is a fact.” -Charlie Kirk
“Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.” -Charlie Kirk
“CRT has spread, and now it’s time for us to remove the tumor.” -Charlie Kirk
“America does not need more visas for people from India. Perhaps no form of legal immigration has so displaced American workers as those from India. Enough already. We’re full. Let’s finally put our own people first.” -Charlie Kirk
“Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.” -Charlie Kirk
“You have tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of young, fighting-age Muslim men in America. All it takes is for a couple of them to be activated in this country.” -Charlie Kirk
“The philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country.” -Charlie Kirk
“The Civil Rights Act, though, let’s be clear, created a beast, and that beast has now turned into an anti-white weapon.” -Charlie Kirk
“Thank you for your courage to call it out what it is which is an outright war on white people.” -Charlie Kirk
“[Their] goal is to destroy Western civilization, get rid of anything that the white man might have been responsible for.” -Charlie Kirk
“Why are whites taking this? Why are we just sitting idly by and allowing corporate America to give all the jobs to nonwhite people?” -Charlie Kirk
“It is true that some of the largest financiers of left-wing anti-white causes have been Jewish Americans.” -Charlie Kirk
“The southern border is, of course, the great replacement. They’re trying to replace us demographically. They’re trying to make the country less white. They’re trying to make the country more like the third world, the dumping ground of the planet is the United States southern border. And the secret is out - the rapists, the thugs, the murderers, fighting-age males, they’re coming from across the world, from China, from Russia, from Middle Eastern countries, and they’re coming in and they’re coming in and they’re coming in and they’re coming in … It is an anti-white agenda.” -Charlie Kirk
I expect a reply acknowledging he was, in fact, a white supremacist.
Lots to unpack here. Lets try the first one and see if it passes the sniff test:
“There is a disturbing pattern of Blacks jumping people of all races in the urban corridors in America. That is a fact.” -Charlie Kirk
Seems he was addressing Tucker Carlson here. Seems it comes from a leaked text message about a video in which Trump supports were beating an “Antifa kid”. Carlson said something along the lines of “Thats not how white men are supposed to fight” and it caused outrage. Kirk, said the above, to point out that it was an urban thing, rather than a race thing.
This took me 2 fucking seconds to find the context by the way, you people have no fucking excuses.
I wasnt defending him. I was saying hate him for who he was, not for what social media grifters tell you he was. I dont laugh at people being shot and killed. Im not a fucking ghoul. The way to defeat people like Kirk was, is and always will be with words. Not bullets. Everyone knows you dont kill the popular voice, you kill the message. If you kill the voice, you make the message immortal. And oh look, hes an inspiration now… yay…
It is insane and disengenous of you to pretend he was anything but a raging racist.
He opposes the Civil rights act, hates MLK, and pushes utter bs theories like that liberals hired unqualified people based on race/gender
The comment about black pilots was heinous. It immediately in its premise asserted that one should at all be questioning a pilots abilities based on race. It was a way to get a foot in the door for racism.
Well, if you present that you are hiring based on race, which some companies were doing. Why would not be ok to question about the merits of the hiring outside of, what is seemingly, the only thing that the people hiring care about?
This is the issue that he was talking about, and the issue that caused others to listen. He didnt make it about race, the companies looking to racewash their shitty reputations did. He only joined the conversation later for grifting purposes. How can you not see the difference?
The very premise is incorrect. I’m not going to argue with you based on a false premise.
I know of no cases where companies hired solely based on race, in fact, that wouldn’t be legal.
In reality, DEI programs were cheap courses to encourage hiring managers to not hire racistly and understand the value of diversity. They were mostly box ticking, no qoutas.
I mean* look at Google, if anything they have reverse quotas with how few minorities they hire.
He only served to poison minds like yours with faulty premises to feel discriminated against by policies that simply aimed to stop having marginalized groups unfairly turned down from positions they were qualified for.
I know of no cases where companies hired solely based on race, in fact, that wouldn’t be legal.
Google: Multiple lawsuits and internal complaints alleged that Google, under its diversity initiatives, gave preferential treatment to women and underrepresented racial groups in hiring and promotions. While Google did not publicly admit wrongdoing, leaked internal communications and testimony in related cases referenced managers being pressured to “balance” teams racially and by gender.
Harvard University Admissions (Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard, 2023 Supreme Court Ruling). Although not a hiring case, this is directly relevant to institutional selection practices. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Harvard’s use of race as a factor in admissions violated the Equal Protection Clause. Evidence revealed that Harvard consciously adjusted acceptance rates to maintain racial balance, which it openly defended as part of its diversity mission.
Various Tech Start ups. Basecamp and several Silicon Valley firms were revealed to have instructed recruiters to prioritise women and minority candidates to “improve representation metrics.”. Internal memos and recruiter testimonies (That were leaked via The Verge and Insider) showed directives to only consider female applicants for some engineering roles.
BBC: The BBC faced controversy over a diversity programme that guaranteed BAME (Black, Asian, and Minority Ethnic) candidates certain production and internship roles. They stated explicitly that certain training and entry-level positions were “only open to BAME applicants.”. This was judged to be legal.
Women-Only Job Advertisements:
Ernst & Young (Australia, 2018): Advertised women-only internships to boost female representation. The firm confirmed that these were “deliberately restricted to women.”
UK Civil Service (2019): Some graduate schemes were briefly open only to women or minority applicants under positive action.
Facebook: A U.S. Department of Labour investigation found that Facebook discriminated against U.S. citizens by favouring temporary visa holders for certain positions. Facebook paid $14.25 million to settle the claims.
Tesla faced multiple lawsuits alleging discriminatory practices within hiring and workplace culture. Internal testimonies from HR staff and former managers suggested informal guidance to recruit “more diverse” applicants to reduce legal exposure.
RAF: In 2020, the RAF conducted a recruitment drive to increase representation of women and ethnic minorities. Defence-sources alleged that the service accelerated training places for such candidates ahead of other eligible candidates, including white men. A report found that “161 candidates, who were either women or from ethnic minority backgrounds, were accelerated into training places ahead of other candidates.” Leaked internal documents and interviews with defence sources claimed that recruitment officers were directed to prioritise female and minority ethnic applicants once the minimum standard was met, even if white male candidates had passed ahead of them.
The fact that you don’t know something, doesn’t mean anything. These 8 examples of hiring or recruiting practices based around sex or race. It is happening, whether you know or not.
And thats before you get to racists like Dani Lalonders, a game dev, who said openly: “We have no white people on our team. I did that because I wanted to create a safe environment … I know the best way for an environment to be safe is to be around people who are just like me.”. Where is your outrage for this? Because, this is clearly racist. The internet, in true culture wars fashion, hand waved it away with “You cant be racist towards white people”. And then you all scratch your heads as to how people like Charlie Kirk can find an audience…
Some of your example literally aren’t the US and the ones that are don’t support what you are alleging. None of these are hiring uneligible people based on race etc.
For your legal cases, they are basically doing exactly what I mentioned just more strongly: saying “hey stop hiring racistly”.
It really seems you are simply also racist and want companies to not address existing racism problems because your perceive removing disadvantage/removing repivelege and somehow being the real racism.
I don’t scratch my head and kirk having an audience, it’s all priveleged people angry that when the privilege is removed, they’ll be revealed as less worthy than they thought.
Those are all cases where they were balancing out for the fact that they’d been discriminating against women and minorities for decades and were trying to diversify their employee rosters.
If you have a job opening that requires X degree and Y experience and your last 17 hires were white men despite a bunch of women and minorities having the qualifications, you probably should start prioritizing those applicants you’ve spent the last few decades ignoring for one or two cycles.
I fucking hate talking to you people. Youre so fucking desperate to be right all the fucking time. Are you like, scared of being wrong? Is that what it is? If youre hiring based on race, YOU are the racist. Kirk may well have been a racist, but this was not example of it. Calling out racism, isnt racist.
lol If you dont like what Im saying, feel free to not reply. But we both know you cant do that, because you want your worthless fucking internet points from like minded culture war weirdos.
Im happy to talk with people who arent dumb as fuck, as you clearly are. Agree with me or not, I dont care. Just fuck off with culture war popular thing thats a straight up and easily defeated lie.
Fuck you peddlers of fake news/misinformation. Youre the reason the internet fucking sucks now. Hell, youre the reason cunts like Charlie Kirk had a fucking audience in the first place.
He didnt do that though, which is the point Im making. What arent you getting here? He was talking about companies using black people and women and gay people to wash their shitty reputations. You dont like they way he was doing it? Thats totally fair. But THAT is what he was doing, he wasnt saying that being black makes a person inferior.
HOST: We’ve all been in the back of a plane when the turbulence hits or when you’re flying through a storm and you’re like, “I’m so glad I saw the guy with the right stuff and the square jaw get into the cockpit before we took off. And I feel better now, thinking about that.”
KIRK: You wanna go thought crime? I’m sorry. If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, “Boy, I hope he’s qualified.”
While this is true, he was an open white supremacist, so, mild nuance.
Still nuance, but mild.
He also wasn’t a member of the NAZI party in NAZI Germany. Whats your point.
Neo Nazi.
Is that better?
The definition of a Nazi is someone that is a member of the Nazi party OR a follower of the Nazi ideology.
Charlie kirk meets the definition of a Nazi, with a hole in its neck.
Sparkling fascist then?
Wow, you really got em
No he wasnt. He was an open right wing populist. The “he was a white supremacist” comes from things he either didnt say, or from things he did say that were taken out of context. For example that thing he said about checking a black mans credentials wasnt about black men not being able to be pilots. He was having a go at left wingers who hire based around race and gender. Up to you if think he had a point on that front, but the point is, he wasnt taking about black people. He was talking about white people/companies using black people to clout chase and wash their reputations.
“There is a disturbing pattern of Blacks jumping people of all races in the urban corridors in America. That is a fact.” -Charlie Kirk
“Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.” -Charlie Kirk
“CRT has spread, and now it’s time for us to remove the tumor.” -Charlie Kirk
“America does not need more visas for people from India. Perhaps no form of legal immigration has so displaced American workers as those from India. Enough already. We’re full. Let’s finally put our own people first.” -Charlie Kirk
“Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.” -Charlie Kirk
“You have tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of young, fighting-age Muslim men in America. All it takes is for a couple of them to be activated in this country.” -Charlie Kirk
“The philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country.” -Charlie Kirk
“The Civil Rights Act, though, let’s be clear, created a beast, and that beast has now turned into an anti-white weapon.” -Charlie Kirk
“Thank you for your courage to call it out what it is which is an outright war on white people.” -Charlie Kirk
“[Their] goal is to destroy Western civilization, get rid of anything that the white man might have been responsible for.” -Charlie Kirk
“Why are whites taking this? Why are we just sitting idly by and allowing corporate America to give all the jobs to nonwhite people?” -Charlie Kirk
“It is true that some of the largest financiers of left-wing anti-white causes have been Jewish Americans.” -Charlie Kirk
“The southern border is, of course, the great replacement. They’re trying to replace us demographically. They’re trying to make the country less white. They’re trying to make the country more like the third world, the dumping ground of the planet is the United States southern border. And the secret is out - the rapists, the thugs, the murderers, fighting-age males, they’re coming from across the world, from China, from Russia, from Middle Eastern countries, and they’re coming in and they’re coming in and they’re coming in and they’re coming in … It is an anti-white agenda.” -Charlie Kirk
I expect a reply acknowledging he was, in fact, a white supremacist.
Lots to unpack here. Lets try the first one and see if it passes the sniff test:
“There is a disturbing pattern of Blacks jumping people of all races in the urban corridors in America. That is a fact.” -Charlie Kirk
Seems he was addressing Tucker Carlson here. Seems it comes from a leaked text message about a video in which Trump supports were beating an “Antifa kid”. Carlson said something along the lines of “Thats not how white men are supposed to fight” and it caused outrage. Kirk, said the above, to point out that it was an urban thing, rather than a race thing.
This took me 2 fucking seconds to find the context by the way, you people have no fucking excuses.
Stop defending n*zis, especially dead ones. Just laugh at them like a normal person.
I wasnt defending him. I was saying hate him for who he was, not for what social media grifters tell you he was. I dont laugh at people being shot and killed. Im not a fucking ghoul. The way to defeat people like Kirk was, is and always will be with words. Not bullets. Everyone knows you dont kill the popular voice, you kill the message. If you kill the voice, you make the message immortal. And oh look, hes an inspiration now… yay…
He said “blacks”, you stupid fucking nazi. Go follow your leader and skip to the end
Yeah, this is why no one likes you outside of your echo chamber.
Too much yapping, not enough suicide
Behold, the good guy…
I can be even better and do it for you
It is insane and disengenous of you to pretend he was anything but a raging racist.
He opposes the Civil rights act, hates MLK, and pushes utter bs theories like that liberals hired unqualified people based on race/gender
The comment about black pilots was heinous. It immediately in its premise asserted that one should at all be questioning a pilots abilities based on race. It was a way to get a foot in the door for racism.
Well, if you present that you are hiring based on race, which some companies were doing. Why would not be ok to question about the merits of the hiring outside of, what is seemingly, the only thing that the people hiring care about?
This is the issue that he was talking about, and the issue that caused others to listen. He didnt make it about race, the companies looking to racewash their shitty reputations did. He only joined the conversation later for grifting purposes. How can you not see the difference?
The very premise is incorrect. I’m not going to argue with you based on a false premise.
I know of no cases where companies hired solely based on race, in fact, that wouldn’t be legal.
In reality, DEI programs were cheap courses to encourage hiring managers to not hire racistly and understand the value of diversity. They were mostly box ticking, no qoutas.
I mean* look at Google, if anything they have reverse quotas with how few minorities they hire.
He only served to poison minds like yours with faulty premises to feel discriminated against by policies that simply aimed to stop having marginalized groups unfairly turned down from positions they were qualified for.
Google: Multiple lawsuits and internal complaints alleged that Google, under its diversity initiatives, gave preferential treatment to women and underrepresented racial groups in hiring and promotions. While Google did not publicly admit wrongdoing, leaked internal communications and testimony in related cases referenced managers being pressured to “balance” teams racially and by gender.
Harvard University Admissions (Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard, 2023 Supreme Court Ruling). Although not a hiring case, this is directly relevant to institutional selection practices. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Harvard’s use of race as a factor in admissions violated the Equal Protection Clause. Evidence revealed that Harvard consciously adjusted acceptance rates to maintain racial balance, which it openly defended as part of its diversity mission.
Various Tech Start ups. Basecamp and several Silicon Valley firms were revealed to have instructed recruiters to prioritise women and minority candidates to “improve representation metrics.”. Internal memos and recruiter testimonies (That were leaked via The Verge and Insider) showed directives to only consider female applicants for some engineering roles.
BBC: The BBC faced controversy over a diversity programme that guaranteed BAME (Black, Asian, and Minority Ethnic) candidates certain production and internship roles. They stated explicitly that certain training and entry-level positions were “only open to BAME applicants.”. This was judged to be legal.
Women-Only Job Advertisements:
Ernst & Young (Australia, 2018): Advertised women-only internships to boost female representation. The firm confirmed that these were “deliberately restricted to women.”
UK Civil Service (2019): Some graduate schemes were briefly open only to women or minority applicants under positive action.
Facebook: A U.S. Department of Labour investigation found that Facebook discriminated against U.S. citizens by favouring temporary visa holders for certain positions. Facebook paid $14.25 million to settle the claims.
Tesla faced multiple lawsuits alleging discriminatory practices within hiring and workplace culture. Internal testimonies from HR staff and former managers suggested informal guidance to recruit “more diverse” applicants to reduce legal exposure.
RAF: In 2020, the RAF conducted a recruitment drive to increase representation of women and ethnic minorities. Defence-sources alleged that the service accelerated training places for such candidates ahead of other eligible candidates, including white men. A report found that “161 candidates, who were either women or from ethnic minority backgrounds, were accelerated into training places ahead of other candidates.” Leaked internal documents and interviews with defence sources claimed that recruitment officers were directed to prioritise female and minority ethnic applicants once the minimum standard was met, even if white male candidates had passed ahead of them.
The fact that you don’t know something, doesn’t mean anything. These 8 examples of hiring or recruiting practices based around sex or race. It is happening, whether you know or not.
And thats before you get to racists like Dani Lalonders, a game dev, who said openly: “We have no white people on our team. I did that because I wanted to create a safe environment … I know the best way for an environment to be safe is to be around people who are just like me.”. Where is your outrage for this? Because, this is clearly racist. The internet, in true culture wars fashion, hand waved it away with “You cant be racist towards white people”. And then you all scratch your heads as to how people like Charlie Kirk can find an audience…
Some of your example literally aren’t the US and the ones that are don’t support what you are alleging. None of these are hiring uneligible people based on race etc.
For your legal cases, they are basically doing exactly what I mentioned just more strongly: saying “hey stop hiring racistly”.
It really seems you are simply also racist and want companies to not address existing racism problems because your perceive removing disadvantage/removing repivelege and somehow being the real racism.
I don’t scratch my head and kirk having an audience, it’s all priveleged people angry that when the privilege is removed, they’ll be revealed as less worthy than they thought.
So, youre the racist? Got it.
Ah, the ol “anti-racism is the real racism” shtick.
A tail as old as time.
Those are all cases where they were balancing out for the fact that they’d been discriminating against women and minorities for decades and were trying to diversify their employee rosters.
If you have a job opening that requires X degree and Y experience and your last 17 hires were white men despite a bunch of women and minorities having the qualifications, you probably should start prioritizing those applicants you’ve spent the last few decades ignoring for one or two cycles.
lol Jesus fucking christ…
Regardless of DEI, affirmative action, or anything else - all airline pilots are required to be licensed, qualified pilots.
There’s no nuance here. If you agree with Kirk and worry about a pilot being unqualified because of their race, then you’re a racist.
I fucking hate talking to you people. Youre so fucking desperate to be right all the fucking time. Are you like, scared of being wrong? Is that what it is? If youre hiring based on race, YOU are the racist. Kirk may well have been a racist, but this was not example of it. Calling out racism, isnt racist.
Then leave.
We don’t need people bending over backwards making bullshit excuses for white supremacy.
Leave.
lol If you dont like what Im saying, feel free to not reply. But we both know you cant do that, because you want your worthless fucking internet points from like minded culture war weirdos.
Im happy to talk with people who arent dumb as fuck, as you clearly are. Agree with me or not, I dont care. Just fuck off with culture war popular thing thats a straight up and easily defeated lie.
Fuck you peddlers of fake news/misinformation. Youre the reason the internet fucking sucks now. Hell, youre the reason cunts like Charlie Kirk had a fucking audience in the first place.
Do you believe that it’s defensible to tell people to fear flying on a plane operated by qualified pilots because they are black?
If yes, you’re racist. Full stop.
He didnt do that though, which is the point Im making. What arent you getting here? He was talking about companies using black people and women and gay people to wash their shitty reputations. You dont like they way he was doing it? Thats totally fair. But THAT is what he was doing, he wasnt saying that being black makes a person inferior.
From the Thought Crime podcast in January 2024: