• General_Effort@lemmy.worldOP
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    17 days ago

    Why does a book author work 6 months and doesn’t get paid for his job and an AI researcher works for 6 months and needs to be paid?

    Why do you not want book authors to be paid now?

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      17 days ago

      Because that’s the Fair Use. It doesn’t involve monetary compensation for the use. Meaning they don’t get paid.

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          17 days ago

          You said you praise the American Fair Use model. I said I don’t like it to work in that way. And most of all not grant exceptions to certain business models. And I agreed that there are some issues in the underlying copyright model, which might change the entire picture if addressed. I mean the interesting question is: How should copyright work in conjunction with AI and in general? And who needs to be compensated how?

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            16 days ago

            You said you praise the American Fair Use model. I said I don’t like it to work in that way.

            I understand, But why do you want a fair use model that means that authors don’t get paid at all?

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              15 days ago

              I’m fairly sure the term “Fair Use” by definition means unauthorized and unpaid use. I mean we can try to twist the meaning of these words. Or maybe I misunderstood it. But paying would be kind of contradictory to the entire concept. It’d be (forced) licensing or something within the realm of copyright, depending on what you mean. But I think we need a new/different word for it.

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                15 days ago

                In the US, it almost certainly wouldn’t be fair use if it meant that the author doesn’t get paid. Of course, you don’t get paid for the fair use, but there are a lot of things you don’t get money for.

                You’re talking about authors not being paid at all. What’s that about?

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                  14 days ago

                  That was about abolishing copyright altogether. Since we discussed that as an option. We’re now discussing what I called “subsidies” earlier. Authors do get paid, but for certain “uses” and not for others. And authors get financed by a different group of people.

                  In your example with the farmers, they’re not paid by me buying the product in the supermarket and that money gets handed down the chain to every supplier… But Nestle got the cocoa beans for free and society now gets to pay the farmer by a different method. Unless you have a specific proposal here, that’d be likely the definition of a subsidy to help Nestle and make their products look cheaper on a supermarket shelf.

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                    14 days ago

                    Let me try to follow this.

                    A cocoa farmer is paid for some uses of their cocoa beans but not others. For example, Nestle has to pay to turn their beans into chocolate and sell it in supermarkets. On the other hand, no one has to pay to take a photo of their beans and sell it to Nestle for ads. Right? I’m with you so far.

                    I don’t get the next step. Because some uses are free, all uses should be free? Then Nestle gets a subsidy and we pay the farmers some other way?