cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/36418433
With surveys reporting that an increasing number of young men are subscribing to these beliefs, the number of women finding that their partners share the misogynistic views espoused by the likes of Andrew Tate is also on the rise. Research from anti-fascism organisation Hope Not Hate, which polled about 2,000 people across the UK aged 16 to 24, discovered that 41% of young men support Tate versus just 12% of young women.
“Numbers are growing, with wives worried about their husbands and partners becoming radicalised,” says Nigel Bromage, a reformed neo-Nazi who is now the director of Exit Hate Trust, a charity that helps people who want to leave the far right.
“Wives or partners become really worried about the impact on their family, especially those with young children, as they fear they will be influenced by extremism and racism.”
I don’t care what excuses you want to pull out of your ass about the absolute horror for young men growing up in a world where women aren’t just sex objects and kitchen appliances. If you support and cling to the words of a known sex trafficker and rapist like Andrew Tate, you are a complete and utter piece of shit. And any pathetic excuse about loneliness or feeling left behind goes right out the window there. It’s like men are on a mission to reinforce and prove all of the negative stereotypes right. Fuck these pieces of shit, I wouldn’t waste my piss on them if they were burning alive.
I know this kind of attitude can feel righteous and satisfying. But, it’s exactly the kind of attitude that drives people towards pieces of shit like Tate. I’m not saying you have to bend over and make assholes feel welcome, but having a little empathy can go a long way. Pushing them away so aggressively just contributes to a bad feedback loop.
The whole reason the manosphere is easy to get into is because it is, on the surface, one of the most welcoming and validating spaces for men to be in. Thanks for giving attention to that with your comment.
Yeah, I read this first thing in the morning and replied before even checking what community it is. Probably should’ve deleted this but also, maybe it’s a good discussion to have around here.
I know that you’re right but it just feels hopeless. You say that I should have empathy but honestly what I worry about the most is that the people we’re talking about here have no empathy of their own. Because I can’t help but wonder, don’t these kids have mothers and sisters that they look at and at least feel a little bit bad about the circles they spend time in and the ideology they believe in? It’s a strange mix of disgust and despair that I feel about this. Because I feel like trying to appeal to the good nature of mother’s sons that listen to rapists in the first place is a lost cause.
But I could just be bitter. And facing my own gender wars internally and projecting that. I’ve actually been trying to stay away from these conversations because I’m not sure if I can be anything but angry at this point.
Nah, that’s not it. Manosphere assholes offer easy and satisfying answer to all the problem, and the solution they offer doesn’t require anyone to do hard work, but instead gives the sensation of being right and cool.
That’s the reason they attract people, not the uncaring left, not the smugness of righteous comments on the internet, ot the evilness of women.
As someone who has always been a good person and yet has never managed to secure a decent relationship, I can say that that view is massively too simplistic. I’m pretty sure I’m not going to be around next month, but other people have massively different reactions to that sort of loneliness. It breaks you down and makes you question every aspect of your personality. At first you try to improve yourself. You study yourself, and you talk with other to try and identify what it is that makes you unlikable. Then you work on those issues. But eventually people stop being able to tell you what is is you’re missing, and thats when you realise it’s not something you’re missing. It’s not that you lack something, it’s that you have something. Something makes you fundamentally different from other people, and you start to accept that you will never have the things that other have.
From here i see two possible solutions: change the world to allow me by force, or give up. Im not the type to force myself on anyone who doesnt want me there, so I’ve pretty much accepted the latter. But for people that have more attatchment to this world, it’s difficult to tell them to have empathy for a world that explicitly hates them.
Edit: also its worth noting that I have never had any compulsion to listen to any of those rapists, but I can feel the draw when it feels like there is some fundamental aspect of being a man that everyone else seems to get but I don’t. These guys offer easy answers which do in fact tend to result in you getting partners: force. And from a lot of the complaints I hear about men online, it almost seems like I am the only person not forcing myself on people. Which, consistency wise, checks out.
Again, obviously I am not considering becoming one of them but our society currently definitely seems to be designed to create more of them.
Interesting comment. So, nobody of either gender likes you and nobody can tell you why they don’t like you?
People like me, but romantic interest seems to be off the table. Im not attracted to guys, but from my talks with multiple therapists and my friends of either gender, no one of either gender seems to be able to actually identify the issue.
Dating in person hasnt worked out, i dont live anywhere where people gather. So I’m left with online dating which is also an abject failure. By all accounts im reasonably attractive, probably moreso than average. Which is why I can only assume the issue lies in my body language. I’m guessing I give off autisitic vibes.
I’m just an anecdote though, my point is that there are a lot of people like me. I’m not an incel or right winger or anything like that. I know what makes someone an asshole and I know what makes someones character top quality, and I generally seek to embody those traits. We aren’t evil, or filled with hate or anything. Society just doesnt seem to want us.
Edit: i mean that in a romantic way, no one actively drives me away from being friends.
The problem is that you’re trying to solve a puzzle that will reward you with a prize. Relationships don’t work like that, people don’t work like that. You just need to be yourself, autistic vibes and all, not be an asshole, and just live your live. There are people who are attracted to you specifically, you just didn’t find them yet because you’re to busy looking for a key to a puzzle of no pussy. Just… interact with people like they’re people, find those who mutually like spending time with you, and that will eventually grow into something.
Pretty sure a lot of that guy’s audience is teenage boys.
There’s something he is speaking towards that resonates. This needs to be addressed with open mind and open heart. Calling them all pieces of shit and the other flavorful language you are using only serves to further entrench them in their beliefs.
Men and boys have real and genuine problems that need to be acknowledged and addressed. Some of these problems are perceived problems, others are factual and documented and proven.
I don’t think your strategy will be very successful.
