Funny how everyone and their mom was screaming to study computer science 3-5 years ago. Bragging about earning 6 figure wages. This is what that kind og hype gets you. A saturated job market with high unemployment rate. Next the wages will plummet because people will be so desperate for a job, they’ll gladly work for half of what they’re worth.
Companies have been pushing that for many years because they wanted wages down.
This is all payback for the power the workers gained during the pandemic.
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Have you used software/online services lately? It seems that half the stuff out there is broken in some way… I don’t think the problem is a saturated market at all but a lack of understanding of the profession by business leaders. I actually believe there’s a software crisis happening and the tech debt is only going to get worse with over/misuse of AI. At this point, considering the chaos this might create, I don’t even know if I want to be right… There have been plenty of examples of this mismanagement causing havoc in the news the last few years and we’re still moving in the wrong direction imo…
This is what planning education around fantasies creates. Demanding so many go into any one field is silly. The reality is that we need many different kinds of skilled work and no one is immune from market fluctuation.
I’m not so sure. Coding is a skill, just like any other. A project or construction manager who knows VBA can automate 1/5 of their job. A mechanical engineer who knows code can modify a CNC. A sales rep with coding skills is an unstoppable force for leads, outreach and reports.
Yes, coding was long a job and it long still will be for the best in the business, the well connected, or those who focused on archaic languages. For the rest of us, it becomes a skill like trigonometry or knowing a foreign language.
most software engineering isn’t actual computer science, it’s plumbing. and most coding isn’t software engineering, it’s scripting. we overproduced CS majors when we should have taught scripting as part of the curriculum for ME, finance etc.
and even the plumbing should be separated into a different major. it’s like hiring electrical engineers as electricians.
Naa, this isn’t from to many people, this is from companies trying to hire people who know what the fuck they’re doing. The number of people I run into on a daily basis that have zero understanding of the basics is way to high, and these people are usually devs. It’s like someone wanting to build a house but all they know how to do is roofing. Colleges pop out these CS majors and they think their degree is going to land them a job, while having zero actual skills outside of what they did in college. You can’t expect me to hire you for six figures if you can’t even install windows or linux. Go take a help desk job to learn the basics first.
NOTE: Computer Scientists are the folks that do lots of math to figure out the best algorithm to use to solve any given computational problem. It’s a very specific subset of programming.
For a long, long time companies sought to hire people with computer science degrees as software developers under the impression that these were the best people for developing software. This was a very bad assumption.
Turns out, computer scientists are often terrible at software development! They don’t usually teach things like how to best organize large projects or even basics like source code management or software deployment/management in CompSci programs. Yet those are the actual skills employers need these days.
Want to get a job in software development? You don’t need a degree at all! What you need is to demonstrate your skills with whatever tools/software employers are demanding. The simplest way to do that is with posting some open source code to GitHub (or similar).
When hiring—if the person I’m interviewing has a public repo that uses the tech we’re using—they’re basically hired immediately. At that point the only thing I care about is, “does this person seem OK-ish to work with?” LOL! Easiest hire ever 👍
Want to get a job in software development? You don’t need a degree at all! What you need is to demonstrate your skills with whatever tools/software employers are demanding. The simplest way to do that is with posting some open source code to GitHub (or similar).
From my experience you certainly need both
In my experience technical knowledge can fill the gap, but it has to be demonstrable.
So… you hiring?
You’re in minority. Usually when people hire programmers they want us to jump through unnecessary hoops and solve stupid fucking leetcode bullshit, and rarely care about anything else. Oh how I hate the leetcode bullshit.
Every “entry level” job opening asks for five years of experience with some technology that has only existed for two years.
I got my CS degree eight years ago, and it’s been gathering dust as I’ve been working an unrelated part-time job instead. At this rate I feel like it might be too late for me, having no real work experience at my age is something recruiters probably see as a red flag…
LeArN tO cOdE!!11!
Ah yes, this single article negates the entire field.
