• JackbyDev@programming.dev
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    6 hours ago

    My biggest annoyance with man pages are that built-ins are a separate command and that there is no way to print all man pages but the first with the man command. That’s right. There’s no way to print every page for a command, 1 through 7 or whatever, with a flag. I am confidently saying there’s no way to do it.

    👀

    Hoping someone wants to correct me because I want an alias that prints all pages as one. Would also be nice if it did it for built-ins.

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    7 hours ago

    Agreed. I’ve saved so much money by RTFM. As a father of three kids, every dollar saved means a better life for my family.

    Car broken? RTFM, bought an ODBII scanner, and fixed it.

    Need air conditioning? RTFM and installed my own heat pumps in my house, saving $7000 in labor and markup.

    House has an old 60 amp fuse panel? Paid an electrician for the service upgrade, read the NEC, wired and installed all branch circuits and sub panels myself. Passed inspection. Saved $7500.

    When you take the time to learn something, you not only get the satisfaction of using your own hands to accomplish something, but you also get to save money.

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    I think a lot of documentation just fly over my head. I have a masters degree in mathematics, but so many manuals have such deeply ingrained “tribal” language that everyone takes for granted that you know.

    If you have a good starting point for a poor linux noob to read manuals, hit me up.

    (That being said, I DO read the manuals for appliances and all that. THAT stuff is luckily easy)

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    God yes. I absolutely LOVE a well written manual.

    Even if you THINK you know how a thing works, it’s always good to find out the quirks and gotchas, not to mention functionality that might not be obvious at first glance.

    In fact, I read the manuals before buying an item or piece of software. They tend to be much more enlightening about a product’s limitations than the marketing material is.

    Conversely, it really annoys the fuck out of me when people come on forums and ask a really basic question that’s answered on page 2 of the manual. It shows that someone is incredibly lazy and incapable of basic problem solving. And they have the audacity to get offended when you tell them it’s covered in the manual.

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    I’ve been using Linux for about a year now, I have no clue what is even in /usr/bin …you people have manuals?! I needed a manual to find the thing.

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    I just learned about “man thing” in terminal a couple days ago. I had no idea they’re kept in that folder.

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    Lol. That’s exactly what I did in the early 90s. ls /usr/bin, then man at, or whatever it was that came first, and work onwards from there.
    Moreso when I installed my own Unix machine (briefly Minix, quickly replaced by Linux) and had to actually learn how to manage it.

    But then I came from a mix of 8 bit, PC and semi big iron (Tandem) culture where any machine you used would matter of factly come with a litteral wall of binders containing documentation for pretty much anything (which led to the fun regular “documentation day” where you had to manually “patch” the documentation by replacing pages in all the binders with updated ones).
    Anyway knowing what the fuck you were doing was pretty much expected. So everyone spent a lot of time perusing documentation.

    Of course nowadays, to read documentation, you first have to find it, which can be quite a challenge in itself. But at least the manpages are still there.

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      22 hours ago

      I used to be a Crew Chief of F-15’s in the U.S. AirForce. We had manual patches too. Luckily, that was Supports job duty.

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      It’s interesting. There’s a lot of talk about how chatgpt makes people lazy, but honestly I think Google killed the “read the manual” ethos.

      Back in the day when you couldn’t just search for everything, you needed enough understanding of the manual to find anything in the index.

      So a key part of figuring anything out was reading at least the start of the manual.

      Now, fuck it, you just type into Google and try to guess enough context to understand what’s going on.

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        I’ll be honest, I’m guilty of using Chat GPT at times for stuff I know barely anything about and know I probably won’t be able to find through research as quickly as I’d like to. I always try the old-fashioned way of using a search engine first, go through reddit and forums and stuff, but sometimes I just need to use AI for a good first pointer

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          It’s not a terrible idea. ChatGPT is great at summarizing info, especially stuff you’d use manuals for. I make sure to ask it where certain info came from (so I can try to verify) OR having it explain its approach so I get it in the future.

  • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
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    I work in IT. I’ve read so many manuals that I don’t need to read manuals almost ever.

    As soon as you learn the design language for stuff, it usually just makes sense where to find stuff and how to fix it. It’s rare that I have a problem that I can’t solve just by looking at it.

    If I ever get stuck, guess what? I RTFM. That’s basically my job. I RTFM because end users can’t be arsed to do it themselves. If everyone read the manual, I’d be out of a job.

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    I read the manuals for everything now. I think it’s because when I was a kid videogames used to come with great manuals and half the fun was just reading through those. One of my favourites was for the original Heavy Gear on PC. that thing was like a hybrid manual and lore bible. Or old Flight Sim games with manuals that were as thick as text books.

    Now you don’t get shit.

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      Yep, I remember fondly the booklets in the disc cases. Some were light, some were thorough. It’s a lost art