I’ve been reading a lot about massive stellar objects, degenerate matter, and how the Pauli exclusion principle works at that scale. One thing I don’t understand is what it means for two particles to occupy the same quantum state, or what a quantum state really is.

My background in computers probably isn’t helping either. When I think of what “state” means, I imagine a class or a structure. It has a spin field, an energy_level field, and whatever else is required by the model. Two such instances would be indistinguishable if all of their properties were equal. Is this in any way relevant to what a quantum state is, or should I completely abandon this idea?

How many properties does it take to describe, for example, an electron? What kind of precision does it take to tell whether the two states are identical?

Is it even possible to explain it in an intuitive manner?

  • FrenziedFelidFanatic@pawb.socialEnglish
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    14 days ago

    I’m basically a tourist in quantum physics with no more than approximate understanding of several concepts, and I don’t think I’ll ever fully understand a field that took dozens of Nobel prize winners and multiple lifetimes to formulate

    That’s everyone, honestly. Physics is big enough these days that I don’t think anyone could get all of it.

    I always thought of “position” as simply a point in Euclidean space described by a vector, but I’m guessing that doesn’t translate directly to quantum mechanics because the uncertainty principle gets introduced with having to account for momentum.

    That very much still is the case (though it’s technically Minkowski space once you introduce special relativity); when you measure the position of an electron, you will get a single point as far as we can tell. It’s just that there is a range of locations you might see it in when you observe it.

    Does that mean that two electrons can, at the instant they are observed, have no meaningful distance between them, only different momentum?

    Hmm… yes?

    I believe that two electrons ‘occupy the same space’ (down to some uncertainty) when they scatter off of each other. As stated above, they are point-like, though, so you would need infinite precision to make them properly overlap.

    But there is a less finicky way to do it:

    If you observe position (down to some accuracy), you can’t observe momentum (down to a related accuracy)—that is the core of the uncertainty principle. That being said, if you have perfect knowledge of their momentum, you will have no knowledge of their position, which will allow them to be ‘in the same place’ insofar as they both are everywhere all at once.

    This can actually be done practically by cooling them down: if you constrain their temperature/energy/momentum, you can get them to ‘overlap’ through uncertainty. When this happens, they actually pair up, adding their one-half spins up to either 0 or 1. This integer spin makes the pair a boson and allows them to occupy the same states as other pairs (note that the electrons themselves cannot occupy each others’ states, but the pairs can, and these ‘Cooper pairs’ become the principle particles of interest). This lets them (the pairs) flow through each other without scattering, which is how superconductors work.