Posted by one of my acquaintances that claims to be an ANCAP but also thinks Fucker Carlson has good ideas, and that trans people and poor people are ruining America. Also worships Elon. I hate these people.

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      3 days ago

      The problem? You mean you don’t want people unmarried, without sex, and without porn? Because I feel that will teach them to vote right wing!

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        No sex, no abortions, no fun, no porn, no smoking, no vaping, no weed (still schedule 1 federally)…

        And to top it off: the economy is super fucked, and getting worse.

        Yep. Let’s go Donny!

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            Oh, I’m not saying what people should do, just what they’ve made it difficult or impossible to do.

            Funny enough, my local area requires that you stay so far away from any entrance to a building when smoking that if you’re in any town center, or major city, you basically can only legally smoke/vape in the street. Everywhere else has access doors to buildings frequent enough that you’ll never be far enough from an entrance to use tobacco products legally.

            Fortunately for the smokers, unless you’re directly next to, or standing in a doorway, generally nobody gives a shit, so the law is never enforced, making it little more than a placation for the anti-smoking crowd that seems to want to ban all tobacco/nicotine products without exception… Which would just about work if the laws were enforced.

            But I use vape products and I see all the drama around that shit and how few fucks retailers give about age verification when selling this shit. A local vape shop was forced to take down a video where they sent an underage looking person who didn’t have ID into vape shops and tobacco retailers to see if they could buy shit, and all the vape shops turned them away. The same cannot be said for other tobacco retailers… Heh. The backlash from the industry was so severe that YouTube cancelled their channel.

            But vaping is the problem, right? The less harmful alternative with strictly law abiding boutique shops, needs to be regulated so the minors don’t get to all the fruit flavors!

            Then vape products started to be made by tobacco companies and suddenly all the media buzz about it disappeared, and vape products showed up at normal tobacco retailers.

            This shit is so fucking transparent.

            The system is working as intended. It’s just not working for you.

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              Those things are addictive, and it is quite evil to get children addicted. They should not have to be responsible for themselves at that age.

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                Yes. They are addictive. And yes, getting children addicted is bad. And yes, they should not have to be responsible for themselves when they are so young.

                I don’t disagree with any of your points.

                Fact is: vaping, and even cigarettes, are not, and never were, the problem. No fancy flavouring is to blame here. There are already laws in place that prohibit people under a certain age (varies by jurisdiction), from buying tobacco/nicotine/vape products.

                Laws themselves don’t do anything. This is not a problem of seeing forth the rules. The problem is twofold in my opinion:

                First, enforcement. There’s already so little oversight of tobacco restrictions. Company’s rarely get checked to see if they’re serving to underaged people. When they do the fine is tiny compared to what they stand to earn by just, ignoring the rules, and selling to anyone who has the cash.

                Second, the tobacco industry itself. As far as I can see, the tobacco industry lobbied hard against vaping when it was largely small shops and companies making the vast majority of the products being sold. Almost all of the scrutiny went away when large tobacco companies started buying up the vape companies. Remember juul? Yeah, currently owned by Altria, which was formerly known as Philip Morris. If you’re unfamiliar, they started out as a tobacco brand. Guess what they’re still heavily invested into…

                The whole Anti vaping movement, proposed laws, pretty much everything about it, entirely stoked by tobacco companies. At first they just wanted to keep people smoking, but when they couldn’t make vaping go away, they just bought up most of the major vape brands and took it over, which is around the same time the anti vaping thing finally calmed down.

                It’s all corruption, all the way down.

                The only thing that’s accomplished by imposing further restrictions on vaping is harming law abiding citizens who are looking for an alternative to traditional cigarettes for their nicotine fix. Anything else is just posturing and smoke screen. The laws exist already to prohibit use of these products by minors. If you want to stop youth vaping, all we really need is enforcement of the laws we already have.