cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/32730153

“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. His heart sank as he thought of the enormous power arrayed against him, the ease with which any Party intellectual would overthrow him in debate, the subtle arguments which he would not be able to understand, much less answer. And yet he was in the right! They were wrong and he was right.” — George Orwell, 1984

  • Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    3 days ago

    I agree with the eleven demands except with the final one. I’m sorry but the more people are involved in decision making the worse a company runs. That’s also true of governments but in governments that’s kind of a feature not a bug.

    I actually end up agreeing with most of this although I know we might disagree when discussing the particulars of the more subjective things in the list. The one thing I fully disagree with is rising the minimum wage. It really doesn’t make a difference in the end unless youre basically price controlling everything else (which is also not good), and it hurts small businesses the most. I think there are better solutions like pegging it to inflation and regional cost of living.

    I’m also very suspicious of UBS and UBI type of arrangements. Contrary to popular belief some of these are not socialist policies but rather neoliberal policies. Not in all cases, like healthcare and education are good examples of stuff that should be funded publicly. But childcare for example is very iffy to me, I’d rather have the government pay a salary to one of the parents (or even both?) until the kids are of school age than have government funded child care so that the parents can spend all day working. Seems like enabling the worst parts of capitalism.

    • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.worldOP
      1·
      3 days ago

      I’m sorry but the more people are involved in decision making the worse a company runs. That’s also true of governments but in governments that’s kind of a feature not a bug.

      I think we are taught to believe that we need to be ruled by corporate hierarchy so as to function efficiently to maximize profits, but when profits and shareholders are not the primary goal, humans can work well together without falling apart.

      Cooperatives are what they are explaining. Democracy at Work is a source I enjoy; I included information below.

      I think there are better solutions like pegging it to inflation and regional cost of living.

      I agree!

      But childcare for example is very iffy to me, I’d rather have the government pay a salary to one of the parents (or even both?) until the kids are of school age than have government funded child care so that the parents can spend all day working. Seems like enabling the worst parts of capitalism.

      I agree as well!

      Great points and explanations, thanks for taking the time to explain them to me in simple terms!

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      1. Added missing source [1]

      1. [1] https://www.democracyatwork.info/about_co_ops ↩︎