I used to watch Destiny, and while I still like that he does tons of research and shows people why maga talking points are wrong, I started noticing more and more I hate being around people who really care about their ego. He would be having a discussion with someone and instead of saying hm that’s partially true but here’s what I think could be missing, he says NO that is WRONG! It’s such a massive waste of time to care about “winning” a debate, both people learn less and get more angry. I’ve noticed this with basically everyone who gets successful streaming, they kinda lock in at the age they were when they got successful.

Yeah I would agree with that, but I think even working retail, with no managers breathing down your neck making sure you aren’t relaxing for 1 second, and having not dead inside coworkers with you so any rude customers are less of an issue, even that could turn into “want to work.”

Sorting recyclables yeah and I would add things like sewage work, definitely some that very few would want to work at. I would say a majority could be “want to work” though, like repair work, tech support, even yard work is pretty rewarding if you’re not forced to do it 8 hours a day to survive.

Pretty true just sometimes hard to tow the line of not showing off.

That said I’ve had conversations with people where I said like 10 words that were just interesting questions and the other 99.9% was them talking and vice versa. Sometimes the best and most interesting conversations are just asking great questions, provided the other person really wants to talk about it.

Yeah the myth that people don’t want to work is crazy to me. How do all these insane open source projects exist then? Why did I spend extra effort to contribute to a project when I already got it working for myself? Most people just inherently like working on things they think will help other people.

The article is really confusing, it says they posted you win we resign but also that the head mod kicked everyone. Maybe the first part was the mods bring facetious?

c/196 had a mod who did something like defederate from an instance without asking the users (I’ll see if I can find it) and everyone said adios

e: https://sh.itjust.works/post/31368210

Basically users disagreed with the mods about moving the comm to lemmy.world and made a new community even on the same instance, c/onehundredninetysix

A lot resigned because people were mad over the ban. The analogy would be more like a politician resigns after everyone complains about their policy.

Crazy how a mod tried this on lemmy and everyone just went to a new instance.

I just don’t mention I’m vegan ever for these exact reasons. If I think it’ll cause a huge problem or make other people think veganism is dumb ill just eat what the person prepared, and usually just tell them I’m not a big fan of chicken/steak/whatever.

With a multivitamin which doctors recommend everyone takes anyway you don’t really have to care much about supplements. If you feel like you’re nit picking over food just get what you think looks good and avoid the meat aisle, and you’re doing better than 90% of people already. Anyone trying to gatekeep that you’re not being perfect guaranteed is also not being perfect.

Apparently, I don’t have a issue when a psycho does it and delivers me the meat, of an animal I have never seen before.

Unfortunately many people working in the factories are not psychopaths. The job has a really high turnaround rate and a lot of the people working there get very high rates of depression , it’s also very unsafe work

It’s not the name calling it’s that it basically shuts down anyone actually considering it because that’s how humans work. If you say you are bad for doing this the most common reactions are to become defensive or ignore it, both of which are counterproductive to someone changing their mind.

I get downvoted a lot by .worlders even for unbiased true statements, but I still think it’s the most effective for convincing debatebros. Irl the most effective is just having good meals that happen to be vegan, so people around you see it’s really not that hard and you can still eat good food.

Yes I 100% agree which is why if anyone is in that situation I won’t fault them. To quote my brother after studying psychology for 4 years, humans are smart monkeys. The fact that we live in a world where that exists doesn’t make me not try and push for a better world though.

I’m not morally obligated to help people or animals every moment of my life. I am morally obligated not to be the cause suffering I could easily prevent.

How about a bill that removes subsidies for meat and gives subsidies to fruits and vegetables…? Now you have healthier people and less animal suffering

Yes and just because we do it doesn’t make it okay, no? Humans kill each other just like animals, but I’m not going to use that as a justification for killing someone.

Lol

I mean is it really that absurd? For most people in the US, meat is really not necessary. The only argument would be it’s cheaper, and the reason it’s cheaper is because it’s subsidized. I’m not going to call out the starving guy in Africa for killing a cow or farming pigs, nor the poor person buying the cheap meat. I will call out a person who could swap off meat with minimal changes still supporting the animal industry, and the people who vote for the subsidies.

I say it’s not an absurd comparison because there are some 300 million animals going through factory farming every year, where some animals don’t even have room to stand or turn around and get huge painful wounds all over their body. Same with broiler chickens basically being unable to stand and having heart attacks because their organs are basically being crushed from birth. Not to mention the people working at animal processing facilities end up scarred mentally from seeing blood and death 8 hours a day, where instead they could just be working on a normal farm. This on the scale of 300 million animals… idk like it’s maybe not the same level of brutality but the scale of the suffering is just massive.

Animals also extremely commonly rape and murder, and humans do it too. But we generally try to avoid animal instincts that cause suffering, even if many people naturally would do those things.

Mm I mean I agree just not fully, I think most people just don’t make the full connection. For most people it’s like saying to stop using your right hand, it’s causing mass suffering. The initial reaction is to say that’s just ridiculous. It’s just so normalized and ingrained, and meals are very important for a lot of people. It’s that lack of connection between what you do and the actual effects, and also just people not wanting to know (a friend i know has an idea it’s bad but specifically tries to avoid learning anything about it). So not necessarily they don’t have empathy, it’s just willingly or unknowingly not making the connection between their actions and the actual animal.