If it helps any, I know little of Historical Materialism but am still pro murder and theft

Glad to hear that I am both fascist and ancom adjacent in my views, truly groundbreaking times we are in.

AI in a non-harmful, productive capacity precludes it from being actually intelligent, lest we let it cause us to waste away.

Pointing out what has been studied and well documented (the negative affects of the internet / similar technologies) is not primitivism.

One thing that has been pointed out in my industry is the automation driven degradation of indispensable skills. Things have gotten so bad that the FAA sent out a bulletin begging pilots to hand fly aircraft so that they can maintain their aeronautical aptitude.

A solution you might present and one that is often presented is more automation, pilotless commercial aircraft even. The problem is that these systems much like LLMs love to hallucinate. Autopilot loves to attempt suicide on commercial aircraft. (Commercial aircraft are subject to insane hours and duty cycles exposing them to much more wear than the drones we’re used to seeing.)

I bring this all up as real world comparison of what I expect us all to experience when we each are given our own mental autopilot. Degradation of mental skills.

I am not aware of the exact link you see between my question regarding our species and fascism. But I’ll surrender that it could have been phrased better.

Struggle is in all facets of life, not just what’s physical and aesthetic (which I imagine is what fascists are most concerned with).

I’m not making a point about “survival of the fittest” or something along those line when I speak of struggle. I’m speaking in regards to struggle in interpersonal relationship management, the source of most frustration for many. And I would say that it’s valid to be concerned of struggle like that being removed from our lives in place of two AI talking to eachother when we already have people using LLMs to solve their interpersonal conflicts for them. Another skill that will degrade without struggle.

We already have an overabundance of production in the world, those bereft of the things they need are in that position because in our overindulgence we have decided to take from them as well.

Wanting to restrict AI given it’s purported trajectory in capability is more akin to wanting denuclearization than advocating for the cessation of all things post industrial.

Let me ask anyone reading this one question; Is the theory you consume the backbone of actual substantive practice from you as the authors intended, or is the consumption of theory just a hobby and it’s discussion a way for you to feel a part of a community?

First, I must submit that I am prejudiced against AI, LLMs, and anything under that umbrella.

Next, I will admit that I did not read your entire post- as I found it very difficult to follow. I can say with confidence that it was not written by AI though, as an LLM would have made it a little more coherent.

I did however read the sections I thought most relevant.

Now let me say, I do not care if AI is intelligent. I do not care if AI is bad for the environment. I do not care that AI has the potential to replace “jobs”. I do not care if AI is evil or not.

But what makes me care, and what seems to be missing from your post, is- the point.

Let’s say the world’s AI is ultra intelligent, costs 1 watt an hour to run, and is subserviently friendly- and while we’re at it, why not say that the world has passed universal basic income and the lack of jobs are no longer a concern. What’s the point?

What are we freeing up so much time for? Unfettered consumption?

You speak of evolution, you make some interesting points and comparisons in regards to it. Did we not evolve in the face of struggle? What of our species if we take struggle away? Are we to become the people depicted in WALL-E?

AI will destroy critical thought and interpersonal relationships, like the internet destroyed the community and the aircraft destroyed the family.

These facets of technology may serve to benefit the masses under communism as any tool might. But only if they are completely reconceptualized.

Less threats and more promises, please

Who is it that will send them to Argentina? The armed masses watching them rip their neighbors off the street?

The educated and political who wear the masks of irrelevant tendencies online?

Seeing a lot of anger in this thread, why not just let the voters fall for it again?

I can’t think of a better pick to go along with Zohran the Zionist and the other electoral dead ends.

Maybe the peak irony of not only having someone who showed their colors pre-election but is a war criminal nazi will help disillusion folks from voting in bourgeois elections.

Folks being brutalized and ripped off the streets- sent to continents some of them have never stepped foot on. Yet the most heavily armed populace in the world has yet to lift a finger.

Any cop who’s scared or distrustful of the average civilian is delusional, and unaware of just how pacified the U.S populace is.

You want to coddle them- I want to give them pretext for fear and see you justified to be worried on their behalf, yet still wrong for seeing them as people worth any care.

Okay, maybe a few Officers can be spared from fragging

Why would you want to outsource one of the last vestiges of being a human we have left (thinking) to a 3rd party of any kind?

I don’t care if it’s an AI or an underprivileged person in another region of the world, get that shit out of here. The internet and similar tools of isolation are bad enough, now we’re being handed keys to an artificial friend keen on severing our social connections and ability to think on our own.

Expected

Agreed upon*

Well I apologize for phrasing it poorly.

Time has shown that suffrage is the great unifier, most here sugar coat this by saying that for people to be convinced “their material conditions must be right”.

Suffrage may include death, and death may be necessary in regards to those who are fascist. But death is not necessary for the masses to become radicalized. Just the cessation of all that provides comfort and escape from the consequences of u.s global hegemony.

We in the u.s (even left adjacent) love the dividends of imperialism, so far it’s only when domestic conditions worsen that people cry out. Abroad, millions every year have been snuffed out for decades to maintain our domestic comforts and not a thing has been done. The dividends must cease. The greatest driver of that cessation have been our own homegrown fascists.

If and when liberals take back power it will be back to brunch, as it was post 2020, and so many times before.

It has to get worse, it will regardless.

Bad faith

Not sure where we disconnected here, I’m not doomerist about Org work. Organizing is great, just not for electoral solutions or peaceful protests.

We should focus on organizing in the form of food drives and other means of material support, especially now with how badly people are starting to struggle.

But at the same time now is the best time to agitate, and provoke the inevitable and self destructive rise of fascist adjacent political hegemony.

In just a few short years they have done more to move the needle in our favor and hamstring U.S geopolitical power than left adjacent electoral effort has in the last century.

Early you said “mitigate the worst effects” and I think that’s perfect. We cannot prevent it from happening, we simply have no say in the matter. We can only bring what’s on the way from the distant future to tomorrow’s doorstep, while building something people can turn to in the aftermath.

I think internal resistance will come naturally post crisis, the effort will be in taking advantage of the fervor and leading it in the right direction

Outside influence would be necessary in the form of support

I’m also talking out of my ass of course but these scenarios we speak about become more and more likely each passing day, some education would be great to know where to go next but I think most of us here are aware enough to see what’s happening in the here and now

We’re in agreement, my only stipulation would be that any organization doesn’t seek to delay what’s inevitable via electoralism and awareness activism

Improvements to material conditions / aid should come from us not the state, otherwise people will continue to be comfortable with the status quo

I don’t believe the working class in the u.s will organize to any adequate degree without being truly and undeniably oppressed.

So yes the fascists will likely take power post government collapse but it’s necessary

Unsure as to why it is banned but I believe that accelerationism as it is commonly known refers to a different ideology coined by some unpopular people, and has little to do with what you and I are discussing now.

To see what I mean, look into Nick Land and his Accelerationist views, otherwise maybe a more educated Comrade can speak on this point as I am not fully aware.

In my opinion, the need for a revolutionary crisis is only as ideological as the biological need humans have for air.

To your original point though, overall I think the collapse of the u.s as we know it would not only benefit the world but also those of us living in it.

Wish I could answer your question but I’m in agreement.

It pains me to imagine any of our contemporaries having to suffer at all but the unwavering commitment to electoral solutions and awareness activism from those who are left adjacent and the most conscious of the u.s populace is clear evidence that we have gotten much too comfortable riding the backs of the global south and our own domestic unfortunates to do anything of political substance.

And then you have the rest of population, liberally right or so far gone that their only salvation is to become fertilizer.

I won’t belabor what we all already know, the only way out is a revolutionary crisis.

Break your electoral chains

“If we could just get rid of one guy all would be saved” good one

You’re in U.S occupied Korea so you should know shit’s fucked beyond just one guy

What’s improved since you impeached a 3rd president in the last 20 years? A less outwardly corrupt president was elected?